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Post by brokennock on Oct 19, 2019 18:30:41 GMT -7
Sorry, need to vent this one out. This is exactly the kind of post/thread/topic I'm so sick of. americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=56484.msg0#newBut I just don't have the energy to jump all over it, and, sometimes I find that forum worse about p.c./h.c discussions than the M.L.F. He clearly has the skills to make the correct stuff, and probably make it reasonably well. Why not just do that? Or, why not just admit some of this does NOT belong in the time and place discussed? |
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Post by paranger on Oct 19, 2019 18:42:23 GMT -7
I hear you, Nock. Plenty of that out there. The reality is that for some folks, authenticity just isn't high on their list of priorities. To be clear, I am not one of them. 😁
That said, I increasingly tend to just ignore these folks (or try to), or, if there are enough of them, then I figure I must be in the wrong forum!
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Post by Keith on Oct 19, 2019 19:31:07 GMT -7
Just one of those things mate, different levels in this hobby/lifestyle. Some groups like we have here are just for people who want to enjoy themselves & play at being a mountain man at rendezvous. How many mountain men do you know who don't own a horse?! Personally I think this is fine, not my thing, & I have not been to Rendezvous for many years now, but I can understand the need for this level of unauthenticity (is that even a word!).
I note he made a priming horn too, I have to date never read any mention of a priming horn in period documentation. I have to admit though, when reading stuff like this it does make me physically cringe!!!
Keith.
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 19, 2019 19:33:57 GMT -7
Sorry, need to vent this one out. This is exactly the kind of post/thread/topic I'm so sick of. americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=56484.msg0#newBut I just don't have the energy to jump all over it, and, sometimes I find that forum worse about p.c./h.c discussions than the M.L.F. He clearly has the skills to make the correct stuff, and probably make it reasonably well. Why not just do that? Or, why not just admit some of this does NOT belong in the time and place discussed? Don't waste your time. I was taken to task by Dennis (Mod) when I stated that someone had created a solution to a problem that didn't exist (had created some fantasy item) - that was my last day on the ALR site... There is so much wasted talent out there. I check in on the MLF occasionally - it has continued to go downhill and they can only blame themselves. |
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Post by spence on Oct 19, 2019 19:44:59 GMT -7
Sorry, need to vent this one out. This is exactly the kind of post/thread/topic I'm so sick of. I can predict with 100% certainty what will happen when you butt your head against that stone wall...you will get a bloody head, and the wall will not change. I made a personal decision many years ago to go my own way and not let that situation interfere with my enjoyment of the hobby. I've been mostly successful in that effort, and I can recommend it. My head is all the better for it. Spence |
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 19, 2019 19:47:18 GMT -7
"You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think..."
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Post by brokennock on Oct 19, 2019 19:48:22 GMT -7
Just one of those things mate, different levels in this hobby/lifestyle. Some groups like we have here are just for people who want to enjoy themselves & play at being a mountain man at rendezvous. How many mountain men do you know who don't own a horse?! Personally I think this is fine, not my thing, & I have not been to Rendezvous for many years now, but I can understand the need for this level of unauthenticity (is that even a word!). I note he made a priming horn too, I have to date never read any mention of a priming horn in period documentation. I have to admit though, when reading stuff like this it does make me physically cringe!!! Keith. The priming horn isn't even the worst of the kit to me. That turkey bone tool, the bullet board, really?! Why come so close to getting something right and muck it up with such stupid little crap? And if that is what is what he is into, fine, but don't project it like it can possibly justified as historically accurate, just come out and say that, "it isn't historically accurate but, it is what I like." Sorry, I'm tired and sore, but needed something other than a book to read. This one just gets my hackles up. I feel it makes it hard for new folks to learn what is right and what isnt. |
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Post by brokennock on Oct 19, 2019 19:49:39 GMT -7
Sorry, need to vent this one out. This is exactly the kind of post/thread/topic I'm so sick of. I can predict with 100% certainty what will happen when you butt your head against that stone wall...you will get a bloody head, and the wall will not change. I made a personal decision many years ago to go my own way and not let that situation interfere with my enjoyment of the hobby. I've been mostly successful in that effort, and I can recommend it. My head is all the better for it. Spence Thanks Spence. After all these years sharing forums, maybe you know me too well, lol. |
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 19, 2019 19:50:05 GMT -7
Did you notice the copper water pipe powder containers in the bag?
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Post by Keith on Oct 19, 2019 19:52:51 GMT -7
Just one of those things mate, different levels in this hobby/lifestyle. Some groups like we have here are just for people who want to enjoy themselves & play at being a mountain man at rendezvous. How many mountain men do you know who don't own a horse?! Personally I think this is fine, not my thing, & I have not been to Rendezvous for many years now, but I can understand the need for this level of unauthenticity (is that even a word!). I note he made a priming horn too, I have to date never read any mention of a priming horn in period documentation. I have to admit though, when reading stuff like this it does make me physically cringe!!! Keith. This one just gets my hackles up. I feel it makes it hard for new folks to learn what is right and what isnt. Totally agree. Keith. |
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Post by brokennock on Oct 19, 2019 19:54:19 GMT -7
Sorry, need to vent this one out. This is exactly the kind of post/thread/topic I'm so sick of. americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=56484.msg0#newBut I just don't have the energy to jump all over it, and, sometimes I find that forum worse about p.c./h.c discussions than the M.L.F. He clearly has the skills to make the correct stuff, and probably make it reasonably well. Why not just do that? Or, why not just admit some of this does NOT belong in the time and place discussed? Don't waste your time. I was taken to task by Dennis (Mod) when I stated that someone had created a solution to a problem that didn't exist (had created some fantasy item) - that was my last day on the ALR site... There is so much wasted talent out there. I check in on the MLF occasionally - it has continued to go downhill and they can only blame themselves. Believe me, I won't be wasting my time with it there. For the reasons you state and imply, as well as for the reasons of Spence's rock solid logic. I do like to go browse that forum as they do also have some very talented artisans who post there. Sometimes I find ideas and inspiration. And often times reading a few short posts on a topic and moving to the next topic/subject is better for me than concentrating on a good book I have going. |
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Post by brokennock on Oct 19, 2019 19:55:43 GMT -7
Did you notice the copper water pipe powder containers in the bag? Oh ya, I noticed, he said they were out of brass pipe. Why not just use paper? |
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 20, 2019 3:51:24 GMT -7
Walk your own path and let them walk theirs. We have a place here were the madness doesn't work and we can mitigate it if need be. Copper water pipe and all wouldn't fly here and I'm thankful for that. Knowledge in small numbers is greater than massive member totals as other sites.
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Post by Richard on Nov 4, 2019 10:18:39 GMT -7
Ok...his user name was "cordwainer" on the MLF before he changed over to thecapgunkid (which is, I think, his name in SASS). As cordwainer, he studied/apprenticed to a Master Cordwainer in New England (USA). He is very knowledgeable in that area, especially as regards HC/PC. Judging from the photo in the ALR, he is not too shabby in the gun making department either. As I understand the post, he made the other items pretty much in the spirit of fun/enjoyment, making things he wanted to try out for his own use, with no intent of historic accuracy. "Museum Quality" in the title was meant as humor, explained in the body of his account.
He was very clear in acknowledging where his work was not PC, and why he "compromised" when he did so. I don't think his intention was to mislead anyone, just to show what he had done on a whim. The end result on the target wasn't shabby, either. And, most importantly, he wasn't posting on this website.
His name is Greg Geiger. And I have to thank you, brokennock - I had lost touch with him, and was trying to get back in touch to relay greetings from a couple of mutual friends, and your post found him for me.
I have no axe to grind, I like Greg, and I think all of you know the esteem in which I hold you. In a quick search back through old posts of the MLF, I found one or more of you in happy conversation with "cordwainer".
Richard/Grumpa
BTW, I was off here for 3 weeks or so...the Wife and I went to Italy! We loved it (yes, this "Irish" lad). Our only regret was that we were not able to get to Sicily, and Isola Saline, where her Grandfather was born.
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Post by Black Hand on Nov 4, 2019 13:35:11 GMT -7
BTW, I was off here for 3 weeks or so...the Wife and I went to Italy! We loved it (yes, this "Irish" lad). Our only regret was that we were not able to get to Sicily, and Isola Saline, where her Grandfather was born. I have immediate family in Sicily (My mother is from Sicily and I have a rather large extended family on her side) - it is certainly worth the visit if you can make time. Just the food would be enough to keep you busy for years. Americans just don't understand the art-form to which pizza can be raised having grown up with the cardboard crust/tinned sauce varieties available in cities/towns without a Sicilian (I'd even concede Southern Italian, but don't tell anyone) pizzeria. That isn't to say all American pizza is bad, but by comparison... |
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