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Post by Black Hand on Apr 10, 2021 7:02:02 GMT -7
In essence, the same would apply to a 2-piece handle - keeps the back end tight.
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Post by lrb on Apr 10, 2021 7:18:09 GMT -7
Yep.
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Post by paranger on Apr 10, 2021 7:31:01 GMT -7
The remains of a couple hundred boucherons with the three pins were found in a river, where a French freight canoe/boat, went down. Ken seems to now believe that the third pin is the, or a, common construct for boucherons. So few originals that are intact have been found, it is anyones guess. Fascinating! Any chance you can point me to an archeology report or pics? I have come up empty in my attempts so far, but would love to read up on this.
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Post by lrb on Apr 10, 2021 8:19:14 GMT -7
All I can suggest is to contact Ken H. He would likely share his knowledge of the find. He may have been part of it. I first read of it in a post Ken put on the Frontier Folks forum, a few years ago.
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Post by lrb on Apr 10, 2021 8:33:03 GMT -7
All I can suggest is to contact Ken H. He would likely share his knowledge of the find. He may have been part of it. I first read of it in a post Ken put on the Frontier Folks forum, a few years ago. Note: Kens grips overlap in front. I've never seen one of Kens boucherons that does not. He does claim also, that there is little to no lap under the tang areas, as the French shaped their grips to the tang width. The English scalpers have a lap. Large English trade knives may not, but the scalper sizes do.
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Post by paranger on Apr 10, 2021 8:58:54 GMT -7
Yes, I have seen examples of surviving boucherons with grip overlap forward - mostly seem to be the smaller (5 pouce) ones. Ken and Kevin Gladysz's Journal of the Early Americas article actually depicts examples of both types, I believe.
I have noticed the tang width difference between (early) English and French trade knives as well.
I have come up empty on the 3-pin version, however.
I just got my email bounced back from what I thought was Ken's email address. Any chance you could provide an assist?
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Post by lrb on Apr 10, 2021 9:19:22 GMT -7
Have not connected with him in years, but I will see if I can find an email.
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Post by paranger on Apr 10, 2021 9:24:25 GMT -7
Have not connected with him in years, but I will see if I can find an email. Thanks!
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Post by lrb on Apr 10, 2021 10:14:38 GMT -7
No luck in finding KH. You might connect with him via Frontier Folks. Become a member, free, and then post for a connection.
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Post by paranger on Apr 10, 2021 11:01:41 GMT -7
No luck in finding KH. You might connect with him via Frontier Folks. Become a member, free, and then post for a connection. Ok, thanks for checking. I used to frequent the FF site some years ago. Seems like it has kinda died out like Historical Trekking...
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Post by artificer on Apr 11, 2021 6:28:35 GMT -7
Pararanger,
Does the "pouce" in the 5 pouce knife you mentioned mean a measurement in length of the blade?
I recall that term from T.M. Hamilton's book Colonial Frontier Guns and without digging it out, I think it was used for both calibre of guns and in the period "Go" and "No Go" gauges used on them?
Gus
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Post by paranger on Apr 11, 2021 8:03:14 GMT -7
Pararanger, Does the "pouce" in the 5 pouce knife you mentioned mean a measurement in length of the blade? I recall that term from T.M. Hamilton's book Colonial Frontier Guns and without digging it out, I think it was used for both calibre of guns and in the period "Go" and "No Go" gauges used on them? Gus Yes, the pouce (or "thumb") was the French equivalent of an inch, and actually measured about 1 1/16 English inches.I believe the name comes from the fact that it originally represented tge width of the king's thumb (which king, I do mot recall).
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Post by artificer on Apr 11, 2021 12:04:05 GMT -7
Pararanger,
I got a kick out of your earlier paragraphs:
"I am sure you know this, but perhaps others might be interested to know that 18th c. trade knives, like many guild regulated products, were produced by tradesmen of multiple distinct trades. In Hallamshire, for example, it took three trades working together: bladesmith, cutler, and sheather, with the cutler being in overall charge of assembly, finishing, quality control, and marketing/sales.
I like to think our collaborative effort is part of the historical accuracy 😊"
Though we did not have Trade Guilds in colonial America, many of the items manufactured here almost always were done the same way with different tradesmen concentrating on what they did best to keep prices competitive and also so they could earn the best wages possible.
As early as the 1740's, Caspar Wistar was importing Rifle locks and barrels (made to please the American market with 3 1/2 foot barrels or longer) to be stocked by local gunmakers in Philadelphia or sold to whoever wanted them. Also in that same decade, a shoe and boot factory was set up in Norfolk, VA that employed an almost unheard of 17 workers in different trades and/or skills.
Gus
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Post by paranger on Apr 11, 2021 13:36:31 GMT -7
After exchanging emails with Ken Hamilton, I did my first conversion to 3-pin configuration.
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Post by artificer on Apr 11, 2021 13:56:07 GMT -7
Pararanger,
Are you going to fill the voids with cutler's resin?
Also, I don't have the documentary technical information, but I wonder if they inletted the tang into the scales originally?
Gus
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