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Post by Black Hand on Aug 29, 2020 17:04:57 GMT -7
Pull a thread on both edges and use the space to cut a straight line. Will take a little effort and an awl, but is easy to accomplish and will result in a line that follows the weave.
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Post by ewoaf on Aug 29, 2020 17:51:09 GMT -7
Or just tear it. Either way, the weave pulls towards the bias during fulling, so unless you actually cut it square, it probably won't be. No sense in fulling either as matchcoats were made of Stroud which was a quality broadcloth which would hold an edge, though I have seen some edge work with beads and ribbon on originals, but was decoration rather than serving any practical purpose. Limit decoration to the lower half of one side. Size is always about 2yds by width. With of 18th c strouds can be 54-60". Blue if you can, as blue cloth seems to be twice as prevalent as scarlet.
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 29, 2020 18:03:57 GMT -7
If I remember correctly, part of making broadcloth was a fulling step (and shearing). Helped give the tight, smooth finish characteristic of broadcloth...
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Post by brokennock on Aug 29, 2020 18:44:14 GMT -7
......Size is always about 2yds by width. With of 18th c strouds can be 54-60"..... Funny. 60" (2 yards) by 54" is what I settled on after playing around with some fleece throws I have. Between documentation putting that size right within spec. and experimentation showing that it will work well for me the 2 yards by 54 inches is right where I landed. Color isn't am option. I'm mostly doing this to fudge my way into compliance with hunter orange laws, otherwise I'd just use one of my regular wool blankets. What a pain in the ass it is to get hunter orange fabric that isn't synthetic fleece or some kind of nylon or polyester.
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 29, 2020 18:48:38 GMT -7
Your 18th century matchcoat in hunter orange. You absolutely must share some images of this garment or it's null and void!
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Post by brokennock on Aug 29, 2020 19:13:21 GMT -7
Your 18th century matchcoat in hunter orange. You absolutely must share some images of this garment or it's null and void! Will do. But, they'll be in black and white. That is how I'm trying to cope with this stupid law, and my attempts to comply. I want to wear the clothing, and use the gear, of the mid to late 18th century. The state says I have to wear 400 square inches of a 21st century color (even though no one else using the same public land has to wear it during hunting season). So? Why go through the expense and effort to acquire breeches, stockings, footwear, waistcoat, shirts, rifleman's frock or hunting shirt, all the other gear from shooting gear to lunch and a smoke, just to put a fleece or nylon vest over it? A documented and useful 18th century item was the matchcoat, it can add warmth and help keep shot pouch, horn, gun, and other gear dry. Could use one of my blankets, but I'd still need my orange. If I can wear something of a style from and made of material appropriate to, the mid to late 18th century, that functions the same, I haven't lost the experience. If nothing looks wrong in a black and white photo, it will have to be acceptable. The color doesn't effect its utility, doesn't make an orange waistcoat or matchcoat warmer, more wind resistant, or more comfortable. If something looks out of place/time in a black and white photo, that thing is styled wrong, wrong material, assembled wrong, maybe just plain too modern, but, it isn't the color.
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Post by spence on Aug 29, 2020 19:48:31 GMT -7
I had all those same arguments with myself many years ago. I lost. I settled on wearing my regular colonial kit and putting a $2 orange nylon vest which will fit in my pocket over it, along with an orange knit cap. I could never wrap my head around the look of any colonial clothing in blaze orange. It also works on those days when I'm not kitted out colonial for the hunt. Camo and orange go well together. Spence
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 29, 2020 19:55:19 GMT -7
I had all those same arguments with myself many years ago. I lost. I settled on wearing my regular colonial kit and putting a $2 orange nylon vest which will fit in my pocket over it, along with an orange knit cap. I could never wrap my head around the look of any colonial clothing in blaze orange. It also works on those days when I'm not kitted out colonial for the hunt. Camo and orange go well together. Spence I wear a mesh blaze-orange vest over my period clothing and don't give it a second thought...
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Post by brokennock on Aug 30, 2020 4:32:46 GMT -7
For me, the modern vest is anticlimactic. Easier for sure as I have several, but ruins the whole thing. It's like ordering someone a birthday cake,,, a really nice one from a great bakery,,,,,, and the decorator spells the person's name wrong.
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Post by paranger on Aug 30, 2020 6:20:41 GMT -7
You all are making me glad to be a Pennsylvanian: no orange requirement during flintlock season.
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 30, 2020 6:27:17 GMT -7
We no longer have a muzzleloader season - however, one can hunt with a muzzleloader during the 5-6 week big-game rifle season.
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 30, 2020 6:47:59 GMT -7
We must wear hunter orange during gun season. To be honest, I myself contemplated the construction of a blaze orange waistcoat but decided the troubles of fabric procurement were not worth the effort. I to wear a simple nylon mesh vest when needed. Personally though I shy away from all forms of public land during gun season due to the individuals who step foot in the woods once or twice a year for my own safety, blaze orange or not.
I'm curious though in regards to the fabric you have, who did you purchase it from? For the right price I would actually make an unlined waistcoat just because I can and would have one at my disposal. I'll admit I probably would wear it!
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Post by brokennock on Aug 30, 2020 7:24:21 GMT -7
We must wear hunter orange during gun season. To be honest, I myself contemplated the construction of a blaze orange waistcoat but decided the troubles of fabric procurement were not worth the effort. I to wear a simple nylon mesh vest when needed. Personally though I shy away from all forms of public land during gun season due to the individuals who step foot in the woods once or twice a year for my own safety, blaze orange or not. I'm curious though in regards to the fabric you have, who did you purchase it from? For the right price I would actually make an unlined waistcoat just because I can and would have one at my disposal. I'll admit I probably would wear it! Unfortunately, because I bought it from a clothing manufacturer, I can't make the source public. They don't want to get into the business of selling their raw materials needed for their products. I basically go impatient waiting for similar material to come back in stock at Johnson Woolen Mills. They do not have a "notify me," feature on their website so I check in every day. I will keep checking though and will let folks know when it shows up available again. I thought about making a waistcoat put of it, but, Kathy at Cobb Creek says she needs 3 yards and I only ordered 2. Also, the waistcoat would just wind up covered by my hunting shirt still leaving me needing something orange on then outside. The matchcoat seems most versatile regardless of what I'm wearing and in all but the warmest weather.
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Post by brokennock on Aug 30, 2020 7:32:33 GMT -7
You all are making me glad to be a Pennsylvanian: no orange requirement during flintlock season. I can think of a lot of reasons to be glad to be living a lot of places other than here. But, that one is on my list. When I think about it the orange laws don't make sense. Why is it safer for only the folks with the gun to have to wear it? If the orange makes us that much safer then everyone using state land open to hunting should have to wear it during hunting season. Most of the public land I hunt, other than the archery only property, is plagued with mountain bikers, dog walkers, hikers, partiers, and anti hunters. The orange just makes us a target for that last group. Now I understand they all have as much right to be there as I do, but they get hunter free time in the woods for many more months than we can hunt, and during those few months of hunting season they should have to wear the orange too,,,, if it really makes us that much safer. I've worked some brush during bird season 15 feet from my dad who wears a full orange vest and hat, and not been able to see him. But, also, it must be worn here...
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 30, 2020 8:42:12 GMT -7
At one time, Pendelton would sell Blaze Wool remnants which people in our hobby used for reversible Waistcoats.
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