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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 1, 2021 6:32:53 GMT -7
A cape would drive me up a wall - all that fabric to get in the way and flapping in the wind... I'm in this frame of mind myself. I personally dislike capes of any kind accept Christian Bales cape from Batman begins... However, very, very interesting piece. I certainly wouldn't mind replicating one myself. One thing that has always struck me as a nuisance of the longer shirt tails is all that extra fabric stuffed into one's breeches... Drives me bonkers having all that fabric stuffed down and bunched up. Anyone else bothered by this conundrum? |
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Post by Black Hand on Dec 1, 2021 8:59:16 GMT -7
I see this garment as outerwear - no breeches-stuffing...
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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 1, 2021 10:24:23 GMT -7
I see this garment as outerwear - no breeches-stuffing... Ah ha... yes, I can see that now which makes sense. |
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Post by spence on Dec 1, 2021 12:34:08 GMT -7
Many descriptions of hunting shirts say they reach down to mid-thigh, but this one is obviously much longer than that. It was made many years after the AWI, but it reminds me of a period description from 1776.
From Naval Documents of the American Revolution, V. 3, letter from a midshipman aboard the HMS Liverpool, off Norfolk, as published in the Public Advertiser, London, March 13, 1776:
"The Rebels are called Shirtmen for their Uniforms, being a long Shirt down to their Heels, with a Leaden Medal at their Breasts, in the Shape of an old English Shield, on which is inscribed, "Liberty or Death."
Spence
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Post by artificer on Dec 1, 2021 22:49:20 GMT -7
Many descriptions of hunting shirts say they reach down to mid-thigh, but this one is obviously much longer than that. It was made many years after the AWI, but it reminds me of a period description from 1776. From Naval Documents of the American Revolution, V. 3, letter from a midshipman aboard the HMS Liverpool, off Norfolk, as published in the Public Advertiser, London, March 13, 1776: "The Rebels are called Shirtmen for their Uniforms, being a long Shirt down to their Heels, with a Leaden Medal at their Breasts, in the Shape of an old English Shield, on which is inscribed, "Liberty or Death." Spence Spence, That quote reminds me of the Culpepper Riflemen from Culpepper County, VA. The description, date and location match. Gus |
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Post by spence on Dec 2, 2021 8:16:24 GMT -7
Thanks, Gus. I have a large format book of AWI uniforms, thought I might find the Culpepper Riflemen in it, but no luck.
Spence
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Post by artificer on Dec 3, 2021 2:31:10 GMT -7
Thanks, Gus. I have a large format book of AWI uniforms, thought I might find the Culpepper Riflemen in it, but no luck. Spence They were also known as the "Culpepper Minutemen" attached to and under the command of Colonel Woodford of the 2nd VA Regiment. Some had the leaden shields while others had the words "Liberty or Death" embroidered on their hunting shirts. Gus |
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Post by paranger on Dec 3, 2021 4:49:04 GMT -7
Thanks, Gus. I have a large format book of AWI uniforms, thought I might find the Culpepper Riflemen in it, but no luck. Spence They were also known as the "Culpepper Minutemen" attached to and under the command of Colonel Woodford of the 2nd VA Regiment. Some had the leaden shields while others had the words "Liberty or Death" embroidered on their hunting shirts. Gus John Marshall was an original member, as I recall. |
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Post by brokennock on Dec 3, 2021 6:51:36 GMT -7
I'm going to start the "Lemon-Pepper" two-minute men (ain't none of us getting younger)! Who's with me?!
We can use the Crow shirt as our uniform shirt. I am thinking the narrow cape will be far less annoying than one that comes all the way around the shoulders.
On third thought, given most of our ages (you will catch up Ben) maybe it should be the "salt-and-pepper" 5-minute-men?
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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 3, 2021 7:54:56 GMT -7
I'm going to start the "Lemon-Pepper" two-minute men (ain't none of us getting younger)! Who's with me?! We can use the Crow shirt as our uniform shirt. I am thinking the narrow cape will be far less annoying than one that comes all the way around the shoulders. On third thought, given most of our ages (you will catch up Ben) maybe it should be the "salt-and-pepper" 5-minute-men? Ya'll going to be wearing clouts as well... |
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Post by spence on Dec 3, 2021 9:12:37 GMT -7
I'm going to start the "Lemon-Pepper" two-minute men (ain't none of us getting younger)! Who's with me?! We can use the Crow shirt as our uniform shirt. Be careful, men. In the day just wearing any hunting shirt could land you in trouble. THE VIRGINIA GAZETTE 3 August 11, 1775 NORFOLK, August 9. Norfolk borough, committee chamber, WHEREAS it appears, from undoubted testimony, that a certain John Schaw, of this borough, did, in the presence of lord Dunmore, officiously point out to the soldiery at Gosport one Alexander Main, fifer to one of the volunteer companies of this place, as a person who ought to be apprehended for his imprudence (as the said Schaw expressed himself) in wearing a hunting shirt in their presence, in consequence of which the unhappy man was apprehended, and is now, by his lordship's order, confined on board the Otter sloop of war: We therefore think it our duty to declare that the said SCHAW has herein shewn himself a busy tool, and an enemy to American liberty, and as such we advise every friend to his country to have no farther dealing or connexion with him. Spence |
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Post by artificer on Dec 3, 2021 11:26:24 GMT -7
I'm going to start the "Lemon-Pepper" two-minute men (ain't none of us getting younger)! Who's with me?! We can use the Crow shirt as our uniform shirt. I am thinking the narrow cape will be far less annoying than one that comes all the way around the shoulders. On third thought, given most of our ages (you will catch up Ben) maybe it should be the "salt-and-pepper" 5-minute-men? In my case it's, "I'll be right with you after a two hour nap man."  In my fifties, we in the Major's Coy of the Forty Twa considered ourselves "Heavy Infantry," who preferred to stand and fight to the death as running could mean the same thing. LOL!! Gus |
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Post by Black Hand on Dec 3, 2021 16:03:47 GMT -7
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Post by ewoaf on Jan 13, 2022 19:22:05 GMT -7
It's obviously post revolution, much resembling the hunting frocks of the early 19th c. The capes taper and shrink from them on into the 20th c.
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