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Post by bushfire on Jul 10, 2023 17:39:41 GMT -7
I like to promote hunting to people so whenever someone is curious or asks for meat I'll always share it, even if it leaves me with little or none. I transferred to a new branch of the business I work with this year and the guys there have been intrigued enough to want some venison. I've obliged but it left my freezer emptier than I'd like. A few weeks ago I decided to remedy that by getting out again. Short story shorter, I managed to find a nice mob of red deer. There were hinds and fawns, a few young stags and a decent stag amongst them. The kangaroos prevented me closing the gap to them so I hung back in the bush and hoped they'd feed toward me. For some reason they spooked and bolted, I was well covered and a strong wind was striking my face so who knows why. They broke to my right aiming for the thick bush. I ran diagonally away from them to try and keep down wind and hopefully run into them in the thick stuff. After bashing through some tea tree thickets I had to dump my prime a couple of times, prick the touch hole and cautiously move into a cleared area. I hadn't moved far when a young stag started along a game trail I was on. I froze and let him come into about 20 yards, trying to avoid damaging meat I hit him frontal through the throat. The .535 ball still managed to rake him and exit near the back leg, dropping him cleanly on the spot. Youll have to excuse my lack of period clothing, I don't have any buy neither do I like camo so I wear this typically. You'll also have to excuse my grizzled face. I'm in the point of life with 3 little kids not allowing much sleep and leading up to this hunt We'd had an especially bad run. Thid meat was all for me, he was too far into the bush to take out whole so I took the legs, backstrap and eye. Hung the legs over a stick and got them out in one load which was handy. Madw a nice stew out of him last week. It was as i was getting sick and before I realised I'd lost my sense of taste. My wife got a chuckle as I kept adding spice to it and couldn't understand why it was so bland. It ended up more like a goulash by the time I'd added an unholy amount of smoked paprika! Had a little leftover last night for tea and now that I have taste back I can confirm while we'll spiced it's still quite good!
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Post by artificer on Jul 10, 2023 18:14:11 GMT -7
That's a good sized buck for a young one. How much do they traditionally weigh on average?
Gus
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Post by bushfire on Jul 10, 2023 18:25:02 GMT -7
A mature stag is typically 500-550 lb. This is a one year old, might have only been 250-270lb or a little more I'd guess. A one year old stag is no bigger than a hind really, but they do get solid as they mature.
I shot my first red deer 20 years ago this year, about this time of year in fact and have a deep affinity for them.
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Post by artificer on Jul 10, 2023 19:01:14 GMT -7
WOW!! 250-270lb is the size of a mature White Tail Buck in Iowa (though a few got close to 300) and would be a giant in most parts of Virginia, at least outside the mountains. Here in Virginia, I took a 10 point that only field dressed at 145 lbs and a 6 point with much larger antler branches and tines that field dressed around 170 lbs. In our Hunt Club in Virginia, we averaged 50 or 60 deer a year and the biggest mature bucks didn't weigh much more than my largest deer.
Gus
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Post by Black Hand on Jul 10, 2023 19:32:52 GMT -7
Looks delicious!
While I understand these deer are invasive, the opportunity to hunt for meat year-round is attractive. I get 5 weeks per year...
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Post by bushfire on Jul 10, 2023 20:12:33 GMT -7
Red deer are a large deer, I believe from memory they're only smaller to sambar, elk and moose - in that order. Caribou are pretty well the same size as reds i think.
Fallow are another common species we hunt, they're more similar in size to whitetail I think.
Invasive/Pest are touchy terms here. They're legally regarded as game animals in my state meaning that the government can manage them and charge for hunting them (which they do). Some "hunters" which are mostly the modern social media fame chasers have been calling them pests in recent years. That's only to justify the fact that they want to shoot as many stags/bucks as possible, lop the heads off and leave the rest to rot. I would be comfortable in saying more than half of Aussie hunters do not eat game anymore. Anyway these fools have their wish, govt just announced $19 million to kill deer over the next 4 years. Money that has come from the bushfire recovery fund. They will shoot and leave rot deer in National Park that I'd lose my guns for hunting in. Anyway, I digress.
Up until a few years back we had very restrictive seasons here. Effectively it was 2 months per year for reds and fallow could not be hunted on public land. That was eased for all species bar one. Hog deer (axis porcinus) can only be hunted in April and only 1 tag for each sex is available to this day.
I for one miss restricted seasons, deer numbers have really dropped since they opened it up. And I wish we had weapon specific seasons, while I choose to hunt with flintlocks I am competing against guys with long range rifle setups, thermals and all that jazz.
Someday I'll get to the states and pit myself against those whitetail in a muzzleloader season. Do many of you guys do stalking/still hunting these days or is it mainly treestand?
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Post by Black Hand on Jul 11, 2023 3:53:46 GMT -7
Spot and stalk for me. I have a tree stand acquired in a trade decades ago that I have never used. My problem is that I don't sit well (at least, not for long).
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Post by artificer on Jul 11, 2023 4:19:09 GMT -7
I grew up in Iowa and our small town is right on the Mississippi River. Dad was an avid hunter and fisherman and since we were rather poor in my earliest years, we ate almost everything we caught or shot, except raccoon. (My Grandma asked me to bring home one if it wasn't too large and she baked it. She did an amazing job cooking it, but since I hadn't grown up quite as poor as she had, I never developed a taste for it.) We hunted squirrels, quail, pheasants, rabbits, ducks and geese and in my teen years I hunted raccoon at night. There weren't that many deer in Iowa in the 1960's and it was a statewide lottery for the few tags each year. However, you had no choice what county your tag came from. We could not afford to hunt outside the county but only a few miles, so I wasn't able to hunt deer till I was an adult.
When I transferred to Marine Corps Base Quantico, VA in 1973, I met the man who became my black powder mentor and best friend in life. I had not brought my TC .50 cal. Hawken rifle with me from home, as I still lived in the barracks. We were allowed to store our personal guns in the Armory, but we could not check them out and back in on the weekends. So my first deer hunt in VA was with an original Colt Amoskeag Rifle Musket loaned to me by my friend and he carried his custom-built Pre-AWI .54 cal. rifle. Though there is a lot of land to hunt on in Quantico and they limit the numbers of hunters that could check into each area, there were too many noisy and sometimes dangerous civilian hunters back then that ruined our hunts. Though I never got to shoot at deer with it, that Colt Rifle Musket was deadly accurate.
My parents moved to Richmond, VA in 1975 and my Dad took over as Plant Supervisor of the HON Industries plant just outside Richmond. While I was gone on independent duty for four years, Dad and a friend of his from work decided to form the "Hard Luck Hunt Club." Most hunt clubs in the Piedmont (or flat to rolling hills part of central Virginia) were run by landowners, but the annual membership dues were very high. Dad's friend lived in Amelia county and found some land they could get hunting rights to by paying the land taxes. Properties they contracted for were on both sides of the Amelia and Nottaway County line. Plus there was a large section of land owned by a forest company on which we got free permits to hunt.
On opening day of modern gun season and most weekends, we could only run organized hunts with modern shotguns. However, for Club Members who came on the week days and after the last organized hunt on weekends, we could stalk or still hunt with modern rifles or muzzleloaders.
Now I could normally only hunt on weekends, so I wasn't able to hunt with a muzzleloader and that even when they came up with a muzzleloading season only for a week to 10 days. The Marine Corps just kept me too busy. I could not get Dad or my older brother interested in muzzleloaders, but Dad's friend asked if I could get a reasonable priced one for him in the mid 1980's. Well, that year at the Fall Nationals of the North South Skirmish Association, where I did gunsmithing at the Spring and Fall Nationals Matches; Navy Arms was blowing out some non-descript percussion rifles for only $60.00 each to those of us who could buy at Dealer Prices. I checked about a dozen over and found the two with the best trigger pulls and bought them. My Dad's friend jumped at the price and every year for the next couple of decades, he was always thrilled to tell me of the one or two bucks he got with that rifle during ML season. However, no one else in the club was interested in the other rifle, so I donated it to the raffle we held each year to raise money for the club. In the following years as Dad's friend got at least one buck a year with his, some members eventually told me they should have bought the other rifle from me.
Gus
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Post by bushfire on Jul 11, 2023 14:54:50 GMT -7
That is a fascinating story of your life and entry into the muzzleloading world Gus, thank you.
How long was it before you eventually took your first deer with a muzzleloader?
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Post by artificer on Jul 11, 2023 17:25:48 GMT -7
Well, I have to sheepishly (at least for this forum) admit that neither of the two deer I've taken was with a muzzleloader.
Since I could normally only come to the hunt club on weekends, they always had two drives (we called them organized hunts) in the morning and at least one or two more in the afternoon. So we could not go out still/stalk hunting until the drives were done for the day. I brought the TC Hawken with me a number of times in case we had a chance to still/stalk hunt after the organized hunts were over, but never got a deer when I was able to use the TC Hawken. We aren't allowed to hunt on Sundays in Virginia so by weekends, I mean Saturdays or the occasional Friday or Monday of a long holiday weekend.
When I got the 10 point buck and when we had skinned and quartered him, I asked for one of the hacksaws to saw the antlers off to eventually make knife handles and other muzzleloading things. Good God you would I have thought I committed heinous blasphemy and high treason, both at the same time! They almost refused to believe I would not get that head mounted. Now I don't have anything against folks who want to mount the heads as trophies, but I personally believe that is almost dishonoring the spirit of the deer. I believe the best way to honor the game is to eat the meat and use anything and everything else you can. Heck a couple of guys said they had a garage full of "horn" (local name for antlers) they would trade me for the head to mount, but I politely declined. I told them I had made knives with antler handles before, but never from a deer I had taken and I had been looking forward to this for many years.
Gus
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Post by brokennock on Jul 11, 2023 19:02:29 GMT -7
..... Someday I'll get to the states and pit myself against those whitetail in a muzzleloader season. Do many of you guys do stalking/still hunting these days or is it mainly treestand? I do most of my early season deer hunting from a treestand, bow hunting. Our archery deer season starts in September, I can't go deer hunt with a muzzleloader until November. We can now use a muzzleloader during shotgun season, and they got rid of our "A" and "B" week and a half long seasons for state land except lottery properties, so that gives me about 18 days (can't hunt Sunday) putting me into December for about 2 weeks of muzzleloader season. Then back to bow for a couple weeks. I only hunt from the ground with a firearm, be it cartridge or muzzleloader. I keep telling myself going to use one of my stands, but never do. I wouldn't call my ground hunting "spot and stalk though,,, more like "wander and sit a spell," or just sneak into a prescouted area and sit and wait. This really isn't spot and stalk terrain for the most part. Not in a traditional sense, where one sits at a vantage point and watches a likely area from a distance then stalks the animal once spotted. Maybe if one has access to a private property like a farm or small cow operation, but state land here is mostly forest. There are a few state leased properties with large high-tension line cuts, one in particular that I have experience with, that could make for some spot and stalk hunting. You're always welcome here, but there are "easier" or at least places with better odds to get your whitetail.
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