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Post by nwterritorywoodsman on Jun 30, 2019 17:27:56 GMT -7
Hey guys, new to the forum. I posted a question on another forum earlier today and Brokennock redirected me here and told me that Hawkeyes might know my question sense he's interested in this area(Ohio). If this is in the wrong spot, sorry. So here it is. I have been lately more interested in my local area and Ashland county Ohio isn't that far away from me. I found this article ashlandohiogenealogy.org/biographicalsketch/mohican1.html and it seems that the frontier era days of the Mohican River valley(Ashland County) spans from the late 18th century to 1812. The local Natives in this area where Lenape and had multiple villages, and it seems that most were removed from the area in 1812. One of the settlers of this time was a man of Scotch-Irish ancestry named Alexander Finley born in 1770. He came to the area in 1803. So (one of) my question is, what type of clothing was worn in 1803 in the Ohio frontier? I don't know very much on this time period, so please bear with me. Would 1770s clothing be appropriate for this time and geographic area. So just explain what this man named Alexander Finley dressed like. Also, how much native articles of clothing would be on a white man at this time? What would the dress of the Lenape be like at this time, would it be more reminescent of the rev war era or war of 1812 era? Also theres a French trader that lived in the area also, and he married into the Lenape tribe there. His name was John JerryBettis Jerome. I though there were no more french woodsmen in Ohio anymore because the french lost the FnI war. So what would he have dressed like in 1803 living by himself with his squaw? Sorry for all of these questions, Im just trying to figure out how these people dressed in 1803 in Ashland county Ohio, so I would be able to reanact this time period in my area. NWT Woodsman
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Post by Keith on Jun 30, 2019 17:32:58 GMT -7
Good day NWTW, & welcome to this forum. Keith.
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Post by straekat on Jul 1, 2019 5:31:40 GMT -7
NWT, welcome to the forum.
When France ceeded it's North American possessions to the British in 1763, the French living there didn't disappear. The colonial administrators and some military officers may have gone back to France (or it's other possessions), and those who couldn't, most likely stayed where they were and got on with their lives. It would not have been unusual for a French-speaking "Canadian", or a Metis to turn up almost anywhere west of the Alleghenies and north of the Ohio River.
Ohio formally became a state in 1803 (If memory serves me correctly?), although it would have still be a frontier society until after the War of 1812, when British influence in the Lakes Region was more or less settled and westward expansion across the Plains began in earnest. Older individuals who were adults during the Revolution may have continued wearing clothing they were familiar with, although their children may have adopted the newest styles.
How someone dressed circa 1803, might be influenced by their age and what style of clothing they liked (or their wife/women in their life knew how to make), cultural background or if they were European immigrants vs those who came from the British Isles), and so on. The 1790s and the French Revolution resulted in cultural changes that affected how people dressed, with knee-breeches being replaced by long drop front trousers, waistcoats getting shorter, hair styles becoming shorter (say bye-bye to long hair and pony-tails) and more. Their occupation would also influence what they wore, and how they dressed. The closer to towns and "civilization", the greater the likelihood someone would try to keep up with current trends and customs. The 18th century was a period when there was a social and economic scale, in which people judged others based on their appearance, whether they owned property, had social importance in their community, etc.
The "British" tended to be a bit more formal in clothing, with people wearing a waistcoat over a shirt if they were in public, and a hat to cover the head (it helps keep longer hair cleaner and neat in appearance). The French??? That's a different story. French-Canadians, based on period drawings, etc, may have dressed similar to people in France, adopted local clothing developed to meet the local climate and conditions, or even blended French/Canadian and Amerindian clothing, and very likely the use of cloth instead of leather for clothing. A French-Canadian might wear a "veste" over his shirt, or a "gilet" which could be worn under and even over the shirt for cooler or cold weather, and in summer wear a shirt with nothing over it in the warmer months of the year.
Mocs are often worn by reenactors, living historians, etc, and they were worn by the French-Canadians and Metis also. That was not the only style of footwear, and the "souliers de Boeuf's" were a particularly unique form of boat shoe looking footwear worn almost entirely by the French/Canadians. These are a bit harder to make, although the thick leather soles are tougher and should last longer.
If you can find out where Finley was born and raised (in the America's vs Ulster/Northern Ireland) that may give you an idea of whether he would have been influenced by a society that was relatively show to change (Ireland?), or in a melting pot society where people came from different parts of the British Isles and Europe, indigenous peoples, and intermarriage. If Finley was born and raised in the America's chances are that he would have been comfortable adapting and adjusting to local conditions, etc. If he had wealth or any measure of being successful, how he wore signs of it would have most likely been expressed in ways that reflected his thinking of what world(s) he lived in and who he normally interacted with routinely.
The Lenape were originally located in the NJ/eastern PA area, and during much of the 17th and 18th centuries had been in relatively constant contact with colonial era Europeans/Americans. By 1800, the had been pushed over the Alleghenies, along with acquiring a familiarity for western trade goods, etc. The Lenape were heavily impacted by European/American contacts, and by the 1780s, some Lenape in eastern Ohio were converting to Christianity, building log cabin settlements (i.e, Gnaddenhutten and other Moravian settlements). If you can find any of David Zeissburger and J. Heckwelders' journals, they might be a good place to start for first hand accounts of descriptions of indigenous peoples living in central Ohio between 1780/1810.
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Post by nwterritorywoodsman on Jul 1, 2019 7:28:21 GMT -7
Thank you Keith and Kat for the friendly welcome. Alexander Finley was born in Hartford county Maryland in the year 1770 which would make him 33 years of age in 1803. I will also look into the journal of David Zeissburger.
I looked up the canadian souliers de boeufs and they look kinda like a vamp mocc made out of thicker leather. All I've ever made are center seams and shoepacs. And two peice hard sole moccasins that I hated and just tore them apart, never again. So what I'm thinking is, would shoepacs(what I make are center seam moccs with added on sole) be feaslible in my area. I know the original shoepacs were found in ft. Ligonier PA from the FnI war, correct me if wrong. I like these type better because they have more protection then just one sole. The other footwear option that there seems to be is the Jefferson bootie or trekker boot.
I'm also thinking of getting some narrow fall knee breeches soon to go with my blue wool leggings just a hand above the knee. I don't see why someone in the boonies couldn't be unfashionable. So breeches sound to fit the bill well. Also if I were to wear a waistcoat, what type should I get? The War of 1812 waistcoat is just a tad to late for me for the late 18th century and very very early 19th century. So would the short waist length rev war waistcoat be appropriate? When I see pictures of shoenbrunn where David Zeissburger lived, the reanactors there are wearing(some of them) FrenchNIndian war era waistcoats. This village was aboandoned in 1777, so would people be still wearing long waistcoats in that time? NWT Woodsman
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Post by Black Hand on Jul 1, 2019 7:52:00 GMT -7
...so would people be still wearing long waistcoats in that time? NWT Woodsman Depends on the age of the person you wish to portray. An older person might still wear clothes from their younger days that were out of fashion and out of date or older items might be re-tailored to match the current fashion.
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Post by nwterritorywoodsman on Jul 1, 2019 8:04:35 GMT -7
Say if your born in 1770, born in Maryland, immigrated to Pennsylvania then Ohio. Seems Alexander Finley grew up with education. But I'm thinking that when he was a child, he would have grown up with the shorter waistcoats, because they where more fashionable during that time, but who knows, longer waistcoats were still around somewhat, they didnt just dissapear. NWT Woodsman
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Post by hawkeyes on Jul 1, 2019 11:31:51 GMT -7
Ohio largely was Shawandase land along with the Seneca. Obviously other tribes were scattered throughout but again, predominantly Shawandase for the most part. Many tribes from Northern Michigan also migrated Southward as did my ancestors. Many people don't realize native peoples were very quick in adopting European stylings into their clothing, vise versa for settlers adopting native clothing. Ohio in short was a vast pool of many cultures during the period and also it was considered the "West". The above advice is great, while selecting a persona is important I like to recommend doing extensive research into the period of interest (like your doing) before going full bore with a persona. What I mean is the little details surrounding everyday life. When you gather the findings from your research it makes building your persona much easier and more believable.
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Post by nwterritorywoodsman on Jul 2, 2019 11:17:37 GMT -7
Ok, I just ordered narrow fall knee breeches that are to arrive in a couple of days. I already have a osnaburg work shirt with the colonial gosset under the armpit. I have dark blue wool eastern leggings with a flap on the side that I made. (Would late 18th century Lenape leggings have a flap or no?) I already have my ownmade german-tan moccs. So with the waistcoat. I feel like I have two options here that I want to get correct. I can go HC with the rev war waistcoat( An older arcticle of clothing warn in a later period.) Or I can go probobly HC with a late 18th century-early 19th century waistcost. Here is the waistcoat that I was looking at, www.townsends.us/collections/mens-waistcoats/products/early-19th-century-waistcoat-sw132-p-470It seems rather reasonable that Alexander Finley could of worn such a waistcost. In the description of this product it says it's for gentlemen. I know not to always take products description, so I'm asking you all. I don't see just a gentleman wear this, so a question is, would a woodsmen have worn this also, or no? I've only made my own moccs that actually fit, multiple leggings, bags, knife sheaths, etc... I've attempted to make a capote before but messed up on it, I'm going to try to make one some time again. So what I'm getting at is that I don't/haven't made pants, shirts, breeches, so making a waistcoat is out of the picture.(I do though sew very well with my other arcticles of clothing/gear, just to let you know) so I'm trying.
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