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Post by hawkeyes on Sept 27, 2019 13:33:20 GMT -7
I just acquired my first pair of footwear from fugawee (I'm moving up in status gents) but mocs are still undoubtedly my favorite for the toots.
I've been searching for documentation on tying rather than buckles, does anyone have further details on the method? I haven't found much. Being a simplistic woodsman lavish buckles are a no go, nor do I want them.
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Keith
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Post by Keith on Sept 27, 2019 17:36:56 GMT -7
17th century. 1730-1740. 1714-1740 Keith.
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Post by spence on Sept 27, 2019 19:36:30 GMT -7
As I understand it, shoes in the day were made specifically either to be buckled or to be tied. I’ve never found any pictures of originals made to be tied, but have given some thought to tying shoes made for buckles. Those for buckles have two straps over the instep which overlap. Those could be made shorter and have holes for laces in them on each side, or the straps could be made a little longer than that and then folded back on themselves and sewn. That would make loops on each side for laces.
Shoes were frequently described as being tied in the runaway ads of the day, usually just “with strings.”
The Pennsylvania Gazette December 12, 1771 SIXTEEN DOLLARS Reward. RUN away,….black coat, red breeches, worsted stockings, old shoes, tied with strings;
The Pennsylvania Gazette June 6, 1771 RUN away,….coarse speckled yarn stockings, and country shoes, tied with strings.
The Pennsylvania Gazette June 19, 1776 RUN away….had on a white hunting shirt , much fringed, an old hat, one fine linen shirt, marked W.G. and one tow cloth ditto, tow cloth trowsers, two muslin stocks, old shoes, tied with strings.
The Pennsylvania Gazette June 19, 1776 RUN away….a white hunting shirt , an old hat, a tow cloth shirt, brown thick cloth breeches, blue yarn stockings, new shoes, tied with strings.
Sometimes described as being tied with other things:
The Pennsylvania Gazette February 5, 1794 One Hundred & Thirty Dollars Reward. RAN away, ….and many other articles of wearing apparel which cannot be described, all of which it is supposed are in a leather or dark linen portmanteau, to which is affixed a leather strap, for the purpose of flinging round the neck, his shoes tied with ribbon.
The Pennsylvania Gazette September 11, 1766 RUN away… a pair of old buckskin breeches, black yarn stockings, and shoes tied with thongs, one blanket coat
The Pennsylvania Gazette November 15, 1775 FORTY SHILLINGS REWARD. RUN away ….a good felt hat, blue stockings, good shoes tied with straps,
They did sometimes tie them although the shoes were made for buckles.
The Pennsylvania Gazette September 28, 1758 RUN away...light grey Yarn Stockings, good Shoes, tied with Strings, though made for Buckles,
Men on the frontier didn’t always wear moccasins. Daniel Trabue was in the militia, stationed at Logan’s fort on the Kentucky frontier. On a trip from civilization back to the fort he and some others went hunting for bear, were ambushed by Indians and wound up in a desperate footrace back to the main group. He was wearing shoes, which occasioned this episode… "My shews was wet and too big for me. I kicked them off and went pass them. I thought of the silver buckels that was in them which was worth $6. I turned around and reached them..."
Buckles were not always expensive, made of precious metals, etc. Rather the opposite among the servants and convicts which show up in the runaway ads.
The Pennsylvania Gazette
East Bradford, Chester County, January 7, 1772. FOUR DOLLARS Reward.
ABSCONDED from his bail….old worsted stockings, and neats leather shoes, with brass buckles;
The Pennsylvania Gazette May 7, 1772
FORTY SHILLINGS Reward.
RUN away….three pair of stockings, one blue and white worsted, one grey ditto milled, one white yarn ditto ribbed, strong shoes, with carved pinchbeck buckles,
The Pennsylvania Gazette
East Whiteland, July 6, 1772. RUN away ….striped ticken trowsers, good shoes, large brass buckles,
The Pennsylvania Gazette
Philadelphia, July 7, 1772. RAN away….a pair of linen trowsers, half worn shoes, with block tin buckles.
The Pennsylvania Gazette
Pennsgrove Forge, Chester County, August 10, 1772.
RUN away,….a new shirt of Russia linen, check silk handkerchief, new shoes, odd buckles, one brass, the other pinchbeck, and half the rim broke off;
Finally, not all shoes were shoes, but could still be tied.
The Pennsylvania Gazette August 1, 1751 Run away ….a pair of grey ridged stockings, a pair of shoe packs , tied with strings,
I usually wear moccasins, but really enjoy wearing shoes on occasion. They hold up very well, mine are about 30 years old, I think, and I don’t baby them.
Spence
N.B. Neat photos, Keith.
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Post by hawkeyes on Sept 28, 2019 3:38:20 GMT -7
Excellent passages and information as always gentlemen thank you, enjoyed those images Keith, indeed a treat to see. I sat and pondered the idea over my pipe and tea last evening. I'll likely as you mentioned spence trim the flaps and essentially use good judgment in placing the ties. I've been trying to dig up period documentation for authenticity purposes to do it correctly which has proven difficult.
The shoes are without a doubt mighty comfortable believe it or not!
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Post by Black Hand on Sept 28, 2019 5:20:05 GMT -7
I have a pair from Fugawee made from an outer and inner leather (liner) layer where trimming the flaps would disrupt the stitching. Ones made from a single piece of leather could be trimmed without a problem. Even a Frontiersman of modest means might have a set of buckles...
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Post by hawkeyes on Sept 28, 2019 7:10:08 GMT -7
I have a pair from Fugawee made from an outer and inner leather (liner) layer where trimming the flaps would disrupt the stitching. Ones made from a single piece of leather could be trimmed without a problem. Even a Frontiersman of modest means might have a set of buckles... Shall I purchase a set and be called... "The rhinestone woodsman"? Lol, joking aside I'm going back and forth. I like the idea of having multiple tie points with a simple leather tie. Can buckles be adjusted?
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Post by Black Hand on Sept 28, 2019 7:12:59 GMT -7
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Post by hawkeyes on Sept 28, 2019 7:38:45 GMT -7
Okay that is exactly what I imagined, they do look awfully nice... May have to break down and get myself a pair.
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Post by Black Hand on Sept 28, 2019 8:19:31 GMT -7
Those were the plainest buckles available - they come far more ornate if you are willing to pay...
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Post by hawkeyes on Sept 28, 2019 10:25:39 GMT -7
Those were the plainest buckles available - they come far more ornate if you are willing to pay... Simple, nothing ornate for me. May end up getting a pair.
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Post by Black Hand on Sept 28, 2019 12:19:16 GMT -7
Those were the plainest buckles available - they come far more ornate if you are willing to pay... Simple, nothing ornate for me. May end up getting a pair. I can see a noble Warrior such as yourself with engraved, gilded buckles with semi-precious stones...
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Post by spence on Sept 28, 2019 12:29:51 GMT -7
And if you don't like them on your shoes you could wear then in your ears. Spence
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Post by hawkeyes on Sept 28, 2019 13:16:00 GMT -7
You both are just dead on! :-)
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Sept 28, 2019 13:48:49 GMT -7
As always many thanks for all of the detailed and accurate info that both you and Keith seem to have in great supply!! I noticed one thing that caught my attention in the Gazette ads, they mention worn, half worn, new and good shoes but I am curious about "country shoes" and "neats leather shoes"
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Post by spence on Sept 28, 2019 14:02:37 GMT -7
Neat's leather is just cowhide, a far as I know. Neat is an old term for cattle.
Country shoes would usually mean shoes made by a local cobbler, I would guess. It's a term commonly used to describe domestically made clothing, as homespun, etc.
Spence
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