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Post by Sicilianhunter on Oct 10, 2019 12:16:18 GMT -7
This type of footwear is normally thought of for cold weather use but I was curious if anyone makes them or wears a “warm weather “ version as they would native style Mocs?
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 10, 2019 12:37:56 GMT -7
I have a pair of "shoepacks" that get worn when there is no snow:  And my winter "shoepacks":  To the best of my recollection, the items called shoe-pack today are an item made by non-natives and replicate the Ligonier moccasin (and used/described by Mark Baker in his writings/videos). A shoe-pack is described by Beverly, which sounds like a moccasin to me. See ofsortsforprovincials.blogspot.com/2011/05/moccasins-and-shoe-packs.html for images and text. Doddridge also describes shoepacks, and once again, sounds like a puckervamp or pucker-toe/Solier de boeuf moccasin to me. "Almost every family contained its own tailors and shoemakers. Those who could not make shoes, could make shoepacks. Those, like mocassons, were made of a single piece of leather with the exception of a tongue piece on the top of the foot. This was about two inches broad and circular at the lower end. To this the main piece of leather was sewed, with a gathering stitch. The seam behind was like that of a moccason. To the shoepack a sole was sometimes added."In summary and in my opinion, a shoepack is just a moccasin of non-native manufacture (in a very general sense)... |
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Post by Keith on Oct 10, 2019 16:30:03 GMT -7
I must admit that I never thought of shoe packs as being a center seam design. The images above look very much like my woodland center seam moccasins. I wear these all year round.  Keith. |
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 10, 2019 17:06:04 GMT -7
Keith,
Out of curiosity: Do you get snow, and if yes, how much?
Albert
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Post by Keith on Oct 10, 2019 19:15:57 GMT -7
Keith, Out of curiosity: Do you get snow, and if yes, how much? Albert We used to get snow here in New England Albert, I can remember being waist deep in snow, but climate change has changed the seasons here considerably, & it has been years since we had any decent snow.  Looking down from the main house at Cattail Pond in Butterfly Valley. Keith. |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Oct 11, 2019 4:26:19 GMT -7
Thanks for the input Gentleman!! Hand, I was actually referring to the style MB introduced in his book/videos of the low top variety. I am not pleased with my first attempt at the high tops, especially the upper wrap around and I think I will re-fit them with more of a Canadian style upper. Are there better directions out there some where? I found this: johannfactotum.blogspot.com/2017/07/making-ligonier-shoepack.html |
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 11, 2019 5:25:00 GMT -7
As good a description as any I've seen. You may find a centerseam easier to make with high tops, though with wool leggings, a higher top might not be necessary. My other set of winter moccasins:  |
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 11, 2019 5:32:53 GMT -7
I usually sew in a wool lining and have actually used cattail fluff as insulation with good results as well. I made a new pair of winter mocs for the season like BH's above, again just a hand sewn liner. I've never tried packs though... I like my mocs to fit skin tight with no liner and with the wool I'll leave some air gap for insulating. For me personally I despise the snow entering through the flaps, so I ensure my pigs are wrapped/ sealed tight.
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 13, 2019 13:40:57 GMT -7
My blanket wool leggings have hook & eye closures for about the last 4-5 inches which ensures a tight fit at the ankle (bell-bottom leggings are NOT for me). A thong looped/tied at the instep/ankle would keep the legging from creeping up even when wearing low-top moccasins = no snow in the top.
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Post by spence on Oct 13, 2019 17:34:26 GMT -7
My blanket wool leggings have hook & eye closures for about the last 4-5 inches which ensures a tight fit at the ankle (bell-bottom leggings are NOT for me). In for a penny, in for a pound.... Isaac Weld, Travels Through the States Of North America, 1799 "Many of the young warriors are so desirous that their leggings should fit them neatly, that they make the squaws, who are the tailors, and really very good ones, sow [sic] them tight on their limbs, so that they cannot be taken off, and they continue to wear them constantly till they are reduced to rags." Spence |
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 13, 2019 17:40:42 GMT -7
That is a level of conviction that might offend modern standards of hygiene...
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 13, 2019 17:57:43 GMT -7
 I've came across that reference before, interesting fashion fad indeed. Tight as a banjo but... I'll take a lash in that area of historical correctness for being able to remove mine. Now my winter weights obviously being wool are more forgiving in that area. I also make them ride higher on the thighs for extra warmth. |
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