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Post by brokennock on Dec 15, 2019 23:30:21 GMT -7
Who has the most authentic patterns for 1750s to 1790 period clothing? Most specifically a waistcoat from the earlier end of the spectrum. I have a friend whom I may be able to impose upon to machine sew a waistcoat for me, if, I can get a good pattern, and, if, I can get the material I want/need. I'm assuming the pattern will say something about how many yards of fabric are needed to make the item.
A few other things are on the list after the waistcoat. Still need some wool breaches, were my linen ones out for a brief hunt last week after it snowed. They were fine until I wanted to sit for a bit. And worse when I didn't quite make a big step over a downed tree trunk covered with snow.
Thanks folks,
Dave
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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 16, 2019 10:11:31 GMT -7
I've purchased a few patterns from Townsends, like them.
William Booth Drapper has the same patterns I do believe.
What tends to be irritating anymore is the price of period textiles per yard.
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Post by straekat on Dec 16, 2019 15:55:20 GMT -7
I'd suggest J P Ryan's waiscoat pattern for it's versatility. I've used it and can recommend it from personally using the pattern. Several vendors sell it, and you may even be able to buy it on-line via Amazon.
Her pattern can be used to make an early (longer), or later (shorter) version, with or without sleeves. The instructions are detailed, although reading through them a few times before starting on making the waistcoat is recommended. The amount of material for the size needed are mentioned. The sizes range from 38-48." They aren't "bundled" with all of them in one package. You have to buy the size range that best works for you. All of the versions have a closed rear seam on the back. That's not a problem as the seam can be left open in the back so it can be laced up for those who grow winter-time paunches...   free image hostingI'd recommend one made of linen (use an old 5'x8' tablecloth bought for less than $10, compared to the $15+/yard at Joann's) or warm weather, and a sleeved woolen one for cooler temps. The sleeved version is very useful and convenient enough to use as outerwear that you don't need a justaucorps/frock. Use a good wool, not the cheaper stuff with more than 10% poly or other synthetic. Blaze orange wool for waistcoats is popular with some hunters, but not permitted at some juried events, so take that into consideration when you select your materials.
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Post by brokennock on Dec 17, 2019 0:34:09 GMT -7
I'd suggest J P Ryan's waiscoat pattern for it's versatility. I've used it and can recommend it from personally using the pattern. Several vendors sell it, and you may even be able to buy it on-line via Amazon.
Her pattern can be used to make an early (longer), or later (shorter) version, with or without sleeves. The instructions are detailed, although reading through them a few times before starting on making the waistcoat is recommended. The amount of material for the size needed are mentioned. The sizes range from 38-48." They aren't "bundled" with all of them in one package. You have to buy the size range that best works for you.
All of the versions have a closed rear seam on the back. That's not a problem as the seam can be left open in the back so it can be laced up for those who grow winter-time paunches...
I'd recommend one made of linen (use an old 5'x8' tablecloth bought for less than $10, compared to the $15+/yard at Joann's) or warm weather, and a sleeved woolen one for cooler temps. The sleeved version is very useful and convenient enough to use as outerwear that you don't need a justaucorps/frock.
Use a good wool, not the cheaper stuff with more than 10% poly or other synthetic. Blaze orange wool for waistcoats is popular with some hunters, but not permitted at some juried events, so take that into consideration when you select your materials.
Thank you. I was originally thinking of a reversible waistcoat with blaze orange on one side and grey or brown for the other. Now I'm more thinking of a blaze orange one for deer season with a wool liner and a brown or grey linen one for spring turkey season and warm weather. Unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding blaze orange material of any kind other than polar fleece (which I don't want) much less wool. I have a few yards of poly-cotton coming that I ordered online to check out. It was cheap and we shall see what it feels like. I would think with Filson and Stormy Kromer offering blaze orange wool vests, that I would be able to find blaze orange wool somewhere. I don't really need to worry about jurried events right now, if ever. I'm planning to sew a piece of the poly-cotton to a wool blanket and just wear it over my shoulders for now to satisfy the legal requirements, stay warm, and still wear my other period gear. |
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Post by brokennock on Dec 17, 2019 0:36:56 GMT -7
I've purchased a few patterns from Townsends, like them. William Booth Drapper has the same patterns I do believe. What tends to be irritating anymore is the price of period textiles per yard. Thanks. Do those patterns match the breaches and waistcoat I got from you? I like both, too bad the waistcoat is too small across the back of my shoulders. The same breaches in wool would be great, okay maybe an inch bigger in the waist, ya know, just in case... |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Dec 19, 2019 13:35:07 GMT -7
Who has the most authentic patterns for 1750s to 1790 period clothing? Most specifically a waistcoat from the earlier end of the spectrum. I have a friend whom I may be able to impose upon to machine sew a waistcoat for me, if, I can get a good pattern, and, if, I can get the material I want/need. I'm assuming the pattern will say something about how many yards of fabric are needed to make the item. A few other things are on the list after the waistcoat. Still need some wool breaches, were my linen ones out for a brief hunt last week after it snowed. They were fine until I wanted to sit for a bit. And worse when I didn't quite make a big step over a downed tree trunk covered with snow. Thanks folks, Dave Nock, I used a pattern for a sleeved/sleeveless waist coat from Reconstructing History. I can’t give a good or bad review as it was my first time following a pattern of that sort and I found the directions vague at best and more worded towards someone more experienced. With much loss of hair and with my wife talking me off the proverbial ledge a few times I managed to take only a year mostly, picking at the job. I have 2 more buttons and button holes to stitch up and it finally be done!! Just a suggestion on the blaze orange vein, as it has already been said, period materials cost an arm and a leg. Hand sewing costs some sanity and in my case, great effort. I would make a separate simple blaze orange over vest to cover your period garb that can stand alone. Forgive me if that has already been said |
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Post by brokennock on Dec 19, 2019 19:15:13 GMT -7
Thanks Sicilian Hunter. I will look at that pattern too. Maybe I'll show both to the friend who will be doing the sewing, let her decide.
I have the frock with the removable/reversible cape. It just doesn't look quite right to me, compared to some others. Most of the stand alone vests I see would seem to effect the functionality and feel of the period garment.
I'm currently leaning towards a light weight, maybe cotton, orange waistcoat for warmer weather squirrel hunts. A second thin wool, or linen with a liner, earth tone waistcoat for turkey season. And a wool half blanket with a section of blaze cotton sewn to one side for cold weather hunts and treks.
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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 28, 2019 5:14:21 GMT -7
I've purchased a few patterns from Townsends, like them. William Booth Drapper has the same patterns I do believe. What tends to be irritating anymore is the price of period textiles per yard. Thanks. Do those patterns match the breaches and waistcoat I got from you? I like both, too bad the waistcoat is too small across the back of my shoulders. The same breaches in wool would be great, okay maybe an inch bigger in the waist, ya know, just in case... They do not, completely different. Townsends patterns are much more HC in nature than those items. For a blaze oragne vest, wool is absolutely outrageous in price... I've already thought about making one many years ago. My suggestion is to use a good heavy orange flannel with a period pattern to maintain some HC dignity! I've made breeches, waistcoat and shirts from patterns purchased from Townsends and have bit the bullet on purchasing good wool and linens. Worth the efforts and added costs! I've seen some shaddy clothing over my years at events and good authentic clothing is a must. However, I shy away from all but a select few events yearly now and do my own historical endeavours alone. |
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Post by brokennock on Dec 28, 2019 8:00:14 GMT -7
Thanks Hawkeyes. I can't seem to find blaze orange wool for sale by the yard at any price, Johnston lists it as a product they make but offers no way to buy it.
Haven't found blaze orange flannel either. Everything is fleece, or some weird nylon blend. I thought I'd found some duck cloth but when I read the listing it only said orange, not blaze orange.
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Post by spence on Dec 28, 2019 8:42:30 GMT -7
I chose a different way to comply with our state's hunter orange laws, and it was a good decision. We are required to wear solid orange on the upper body and an orange hat which can be seen from all angles. Orange camo is not legal. Orange mesh on the body is, but the holes must be smaller than 1/4 inch. When I choose to hunt in period garb I have 3-4 combinations I can choose from, depending on the weather, the situation and my whim. Plus, I frequently hunt in modern gear, not period. To cover all those options I chose to get a simple orange vest which I can wear over whatever outfit I decide on. It is simple, lightweight, easy to slip on and off, weighs nothing, and cost $2 when I bought it 30 years ago. I can't tell I'm wearing it, the feel and function of my period outfit is not interfered with, and I can slip it off and on in a jiffy. I've posted dozens of pictures of my deer hunting activities wearing period clothing on these forums over the years, not a single one with orange, but you can be assured I was wearing safety orange a moment before that picture was taken, every time. If you choose to make a period piece of clothing of orange, you are locked into that one outfit for all your hunting, and it is not appropriate for anything else. In my state we must wear orange when hunting small game any time a deer gun season of any kind is in effect. No problem with a simple vest, but awkward if your dedicated orange outfit isn't suitable for small game. Many of them I've seen pictures of on the forums wouldn't qualify in my state as legal. The cost will certainly be significant, and, let's face it, they don't look period no matter how well they are thought out and constructed. My arms are tired from swimming against the current in this hobby.  The $2.00 solution.  Spence |
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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 28, 2019 9:02:02 GMT -7
Blaze oragne waistcoat will be as HC as well... nothing obviously. However, you'll have a nice period pattern to use on future projects and learn to handsew such a garment. I find handsewn waistcoats are relatively easy compared to other articles.
I just do as Spence pointed out above as well, Ohio's laws are likely identical to KY's for the most part, however that's just based on assumption.
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Post by brokennock on Dec 29, 2019 1:07:51 GMT -7
Our requirements are pretty basic. 400 square inches visible from all sides.
My inquiry isn't just to cover making a period pattern in hunter orange. I will need to make or acquire a waistcoat in a proper period color, really 2 of them given the weather here, one wool, one linen (or a very, very, light weight wool if I can find it).
French fly wool breaches are also on the list. Socks/stockings and footwear to round things out.
I'm leaning heavily towards clothing of period appropriate colors and using a blanket/matchcoat to meet the orange requirements.
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Post by hawkeyes on Dec 29, 2019 5:14:43 GMT -7
Our requirements are pretty basic. 400 square inches visible from all sides. My inquiry isn't just to cover making a period pattern in hunter orange. I will need to make or acquire a waistcoat in a proper period color, really 2 of them given the weather here, one wool, one linen (or a very, very, light weight wool if I can find it). French fly wool breaches are also on the list. Socks/stockings and footwear to round things out. I'm leaning heavily towards clothing of period appropriate colors and using a blanket/matchcoat to meet the orange requirements. Yup, acquire the pattern and your set to make anything in any color or textile you wish. I like Townsends patterns, I've always been impressed with their offerings in the textile/ garment department. I'd certainly urge you to grab a pattern and give hand sewing a go. I have 1942 Kenmore machine but hand sewing is all I do for period attire and gear. Once you get going it's very easy and enjoyable and honestly moves quickly with a simple running stitch. emuseum.history.org/Look at the actual examples catalogued by CW on their clothing, very interesting examples. |
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