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Post by Sicilianhunter on Dec 26, 2019 10:57:32 GMT -7
I was wondering if anybody had primary documentation regarding sailor sloppes/slops, up to and including what basic sailor dress encompasses for an 18th Century British sailor.
I would also be looking for any patterns for them as well, preferably free.
Thanks!!
The Sicilian
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Post by Keith on Dec 26, 2019 15:04:24 GMT -7
I was wondering if anybody had primary documentation regarding sailor sloppes/slops, up to and including what basic sailor dress encompasses for an 18th Century British sailor. I would also be looking for any patterns for them as well, preferably free. Thanks!! The Sicilian Keith. |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Dec 26, 2019 21:07:55 GMT -7
I was wondering if anybody had primary documentation regarding sailor sloppes/slops, up to and including what basic sailor dress encompasses for an 18th Century British sailor. I would also be looking for any patterns for them as well, preferably free. Thanks!! The Sicilian Keith. LeLoup, THANKS!!! Great details in those pics!! Amazing that the clothing survived in such condition!!! Interesting that the sleeves were shortened and cuffed the way they were. |
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Post by spence on Dec 26, 2019 21:46:46 GMT -7
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Dec 29, 2019 20:26:35 GMT -7
Spence,
Great resource!!
Many thanks!!
I especially like the directions on tying a sailor's neckerchief
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Post by spence on Jan 4, 2020 15:22:56 GMT -7
Sicilian, I noticed something which surprised me a bit and made my think of you and this thread. In the "little decorum" thread which evolved into a discussion on oil cloths I posted remarks by Dr. Wm. Smith about the 1964 Bouquet Ohio expedition. He said:
"The cloathing of a soldier for the campaign might consist of a short coat of brown cloth, lappelled, and without plaits; a strong tanned shirt, short trowsers, leggins, mokawsons or shoe packs, a sailors hat, a blanket, a knapsack for provisions, and an oiled surtout against the rain."
That sailors hat suggestion caught my eye...I wonder what type it was to make it appropriate for a soldier campaigning in the woods.
I also wonder what he meant by "a strong tanned shirt".
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Post by Keith on Jan 4, 2020 16:50:00 GMT -7
The hat I am not sure about, but I would guess that the shirt may have been dyed brown in a bath of tannin from wood. How about a seaman's tarpaulin hat, that seems like a practicle choice.  www.britishtars.com/2017/05/canvas-hats.htmlKeith. |
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Post by spence on Jan 5, 2020 8:25:22 GMT -7
The hat I am not sure about, but I would guess that the shirt may have been dyed brown in a bath of tannin from wood. I'm sure you are right about that, Keith. Silas Dean was a delegate to the second Continental Congress from Connecticut. He wrote to his wife describing the Philadelphia Associators, first the regular militia, then this about the riflemen: "They have besides a Body of irregulars, or rifle Men, whose dress it is hard to describe. They take a piece of Ticklenburgh, or Tan cloth that is stout and put it in a Tann Fatt, until it has the shade of a dry, or fading Leaf, then they make a kind of Frock of it reaching down below the knee, open before, with a Large Cape, they wrap it round them tight on a March, & tye it with their Belt in which hangs their Tomahawk, their Hatts As the others." "Tann Fatt" is the way they spelled 'tan vat' in the day. Spence |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Jan 6, 2020 8:00:46 GMT -7
Sicilian, I noticed something which surprised me a bit and made my think of you and this thread. In the "little decorum" thread which evolved into a discussion on oil cloths I posted remarks by Dr. Wm. Smith about the 1964 Bouquet Ohio expedition. He said: "The cloathing of a soldier for the campaign might consist of a short coat of brown cloth, lappelled, and without plaits; a strong tanned shirt, short trowsers, leggins, mokawsons or shoe packs, a sailors hat, a blanket, a knapsack for provisions, and an oiled surtout against the rain." That sailors hat suggestion caught my eye...I wonder what type it was to make it appropriate for a soldier campaigning in the woods. I also wonder what he meant by "a strong tanned shirt". Spence Spence, You're not going to believe this but read the exact same quote in a back issue of On the Trail (Vol. 19 #6 Dec.2012/Jan.2013 pg. 36) just last night in an article about Wullf's Rangers. I also raised an eyebrow about the shirt but later in the article it was stressed that they wore deeper earth tones to blend with the forest and eventually abandoned shoes as a bit of a counter-tracking technique to throw off the native trackers. I have been asking about sailor's gear as I plan on submitting a Bibliography to the ALRA where my back story is that I am an impressed British sailor that jumped ship while off loading cargo in the colonies. Hence, my questions about Sloppes here and my investigations online regarding sailor's uniforms. The hat in particular can lead you down a rabbit hole. Recently, I bought an accepted pattern, round crown and short brim in black felt. Other versions varied in material and some were water proofed |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Jan 6, 2020 8:06:33 GMT -7
The hat I am not sure about, but I would guess that the shirt may have been dyed brown in a bath of tannin from wood. I'm sure you are right about that, Keith. Silas Dean was a delegate to the second Continental Congress from Connecticut. He wrote to his wife describing the Philadelphia Associators, first the regular militia, then this about the riflemen: "They have besides a Body of irregulars, or rifle Men, whose dress it is hard to describe. They take a piece of Ticklenburgh, or Tan cloth that is stout and put it in a Tann Fatt, until it has the shade of a dry, or fading Leaf, then they make a kind of Frock of it reaching down below the knee, open before, with a Large Cape, they wrap it round them tight on a March, & tye it with their Belt in which hangs their Tomahawk, their Hatts As the others." "Tann Fatt" is the way they spelled 'tan vat' in the day. Spence Spence, AGREED and with that I take "strong" in their verbiage as dyed a much darker shade than normal |
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Post by ewoaf on Feb 20, 2020 7:25:56 GMT -7
take a pattern for breeches or trousers, follow the pattern down to the hips but just straight leg them on down. Slops need to be about the same as modern style board shorts. If you want to go short trousers, make them longer but slightly slimmer with a touch of flair at the bottom terminating just above the ankle.
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Post by ewoaf on Feb 20, 2020 7:26:56 GMT -7
The hat I am not sure about, but I would guess that the shirt may have been dyed brown in a bath of tannin from wood. How about a seaman's tarpaulin hat, that seems like a practicle choice. www.britishtars.com/2017/05/canvas-hats.htmlKeith. Knit watch cap or monmouth cap |
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