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Post by brokennock on Aug 18, 2020 12:33:16 GMT -7
I finally got to sit down and watch the Ken Scott "Recreating the Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch," DVDs. Putting aside the stapler driving me nuts, I do have some questions. One being most prevalent as it will effect one of my next projects.
I see he primarily uses what he calls a thonging chisel, regardless of name I use one now and then, though less and less. For one of my next projects I will need to use one as I need to pre-punch most of my holes so that I can sew from inside a bag. When using one I have always struggled to get all my holes to line up through multiple pieces of leather, often even though I drive the chisel through 2 or three, in theory the holes should line up. He just runs his line of holes along the edges of his pieces, each piece individually, and all his holes seem to line up. What is the trick to this? What am I missing?
Thanks
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Aug 18, 2020 13:38:08 GMT -7
I finally got to sit down and watch the Ken Scott "Recreating the Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch," DVDs. Putting aside the stapler driving me nuts, I do have some questions. One being most prevalent as it will effect one of my next projects. I see he primarily uses what he calls a thonging chisel, regardless of name I use one now and then, though less and less. For one of my next projects I will need to use one as I need to pre-punch most of my holes so that I can sew from inside a bag. When using one I have always struggled to get all my holes to line up through multiple pieces of leather, often even though I drive the chisel through 2 or three, in theory the holes should line up. He just runs his line of holes along the edges of his pieces, each piece individually, and all his holes seem to line up. What is the trick to this? What am I missing? Thanks Nock, I bought the 2 and 4 prong versions after I watched his video. With the last belt pouch I made, although it seemingly makes sense to punch through all of the related pieces at once, the trick is in starting as consistently as possible on opposing pieces (like a front and back of a pouch). For instance, if you work your way around the edge of a “D” shaped pouch front, start your 4 prong punch about an 1/8” from the top edge and work your way around by putting one prong in the last hole of your previous punch set to maintain your interval also switching to the 2 prong to negotiate turns in the pattern using the same method (put one prong in the last hole of the previous punch set). When you get all the way around to the other end you should be left with something close to that 1/8” from the top edge as you started with on the first side. In the case of a welt, keeping the interval of holes punched and maybe making the welt a little longer so that when you are done you can trim off the excess. After all that, I’m not sure I really answered your question...
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Post by brokennock on Aug 18, 2020 13:56:41 GMT -7
Thanks S.H. This is essentially the same way I use my chisels, I have 2 sets, one set is very fine stitching with smaller prongs, the other is 5 or 6 holes per inch. For both sets I have 4, 2, and 1, prong chisels. I start the next set of holes in a line with one time in the last hole of the previous set. I think when I punch the chisel through multiple pieces of leather, I am failing to punch straight through.
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Aug 18, 2020 14:25:43 GMT -7
Thanks S.H. This is essentially the same way I use my chisels, I have 2 sets, one set is very fine stitching with smaller prongs, the other is 5 or 6 holes per inch. For both sets I have 4, 2, and 1, prong chisels. I start the next set of holes in a line with one time in the last hole of the previous set. I think when I punch the chisel through multiple pieces of leather, I am failing to punch straight through. Or on layer or another is shifting somewhere along the line
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 18, 2020 15:33:44 GMT -7
What are these fangled contraptions you speak of fellas? You just need an awl!
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 18, 2020 15:56:05 GMT -7
What are these fangled contraptions you speak of fellas? You just need an awl!
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Post by brokennock on Aug 18, 2020 16:38:29 GMT -7
An awl is not going to work in this case. I have gotten to prefer using an all and poking each hole as I go. However, if my hands are inside the bag when stitching there isn't going to be room to poke holes with an awl, the holes will need to be pre done, and it is still going to be a royal pain to just do the needle work with the holes already there. The diamond chisel holes seem to stay open better/longer so hopefully will be easier to find with limited visibility and access.
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 18, 2020 16:46:43 GMT -7
An awl is not going to work in this case. I have gotten to prefer using an all and poking each hole as I go. However, if my hands are inside the bag when stitching there isn't going to be room to poke holes with an awl, the holes will need to be pre done, and it is still going to be a royal pain to just do the needle work with the holes already there. The diamond chisel holes seem to stay open better/longer so hopefully will be easier to find with limited visibility and access. I dont even know what tools your talking about, lol. You can still blind punch with your awl or sharp glovers needle. I've leaked red water over numerous pieces of leather doing so. Is this a specific tool for punching?
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 18, 2020 17:54:51 GMT -7
An awl is not going to work in this case. I have gotten to prefer using an all and poking each hole as I go. However, if my hands are inside the bag when stitching there isn't going to be room to poke holes with an awl, the holes will need to be pre done, and it is still going to be a royal pain to just do the needle work with the holes already there. The diamond chisel holes seem to stay open better/longer so hopefully will be easier to find with limited visibility and access. My question is "why are your hands inside the piece to sew"...?
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 18, 2020 18:06:12 GMT -7
An awl is not going to work in this case. I have gotten to prefer using an all and poking each hole as I go. However, if my hands are inside the bag when stitching there isn't going to be room to poke holes with an awl, the holes will need to be pre done, and it is still going to be a royal pain to just do the needle work with the holes already there. The diamond chisel holes seem to stay open better/longer so hopefully will be easier to find with limited visibility and access. My question is "why are your hands inside the piece to sew"...? I'm curious to the reasoning behind this as well. To lazy for a video right now... Drinking an Oktoberfest beer, 12oz curling is all I'm doing.
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Post by brokennock on Aug 18, 2020 22:50:22 GMT -7
Yes Hawkeys, a hole punching and spacing tool, like using a fork to poke your holes and space them evenly.
Very hard to explain without pictures. I will try to post the ones in have that I used in private discussions on how to go about doing what I want. Essentially a turned bag with a center divider.
If one just stacks the cut out pieces of leather, back down first with rough side out, then front panel smooth side against the back's smooth side, then the center divider, and sees it together. When turned, the divider is in the middle but the edges of the front panel and the divider curl around the back panel. What is desired is for the edge of the smooth side of the back panel to come inward and meet the back of the center divider, and the smooth side of the front panel to come around and meet the front of the center divider.
I will try to post pics later.
Essentially, after much brain storming with someone who has done more of this than I have, the only solution is to fold the edges in and sew them from the inside.
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Post by brokennock on Aug 19, 2020 11:12:51 GMT -7
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Post by Black Hand on Aug 19, 2020 11:56:16 GMT -7
Use thinner leather for the gusset, insert the divider, pinch it between the thin leather and sew from the outside.
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Aug 19, 2020 13:55:22 GMT -7
My question is "why are your hands inside the piece to sew"...? I'm curious to the reasoning behind this as well. To lazy for a video right now... Drinking an Oktoberfest beer, 12oz curling is all I'm doing. Hawk, Good beer choice!! Here’s a pic of the lacing punch :
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Post by brokennock on Aug 19, 2020 14:23:59 GMT -7
Use thinner leather for the gusset, insert the divider, pinch it between the thin leather and sew from the outside. No gusset used.
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