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Post by brokennock on Oct 31, 2020 7:13:00 GMT -7
Any references to, or evidence for, knot sweaters being worn as an undergarment or between shirt and waistcoat/jacket, in colonial America? Seems such a basic article of clothing. And, I seem to recall reading or hearing years ago that knitting and macrame is thought to have been one of the earliest forms of producing textiles. So, the ability and material was available, what about in practice?
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Post by ewoaf on Oct 31, 2020 10:08:32 GMT -7
Did it exist? Yeah... Kind of. Should anyone interpret it? No
The best you can probably do in the 18th c is what was a knit waistcoat, much like a cardigan. They were pieced from knit and constructed like any other rather than knit in the round. These seem to fall out of fashion by around 1700.
There are a couple extent baby jumpers and waistcoats sleeved with knit stockings. There's scant references to a knit undershirt worn on the skin. Most of this doesn't come from the English speaking realm either. Best to keep the knit stuff on your head or legs.
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Post by spence on Oct 31, 2020 16:48:30 GMT -7
The question of if and what kind of knit clothing was used in the 18th century has generated a lot of discussion on these boards over the years. I noticed early in my involvement the mention of "knit pattern" items, and it took me a long time to find any explanation of what they meant by the term. Here are a few examples:
The Pennsylvania Gazette September 26, 1765 ...womens cloth coloured and scarlet cloaks, silver watches, best London pewter in casks, knit waistcoat and breeches patterns, Leghorn and chip hats...
The Pennsylvania Gazette September 15, 1768 ....27 years of age, about 6 feet high, of a black complexion, short black hair, but perhaps may wear a wig, a brown cloth coat and jacket, and knit pattern breeches, much worn ..."
The Pennsylvania Gazette September 4, 1776 ... other striped linen much worn, a light blue coat mixt with red, a snuff coloured coat, velvet jacket, with clear buttons, a pair of light coloured knit pattern breeches; he is remarkably full eyed,...
The Pennsylvania Gazette February 21, 1781 ... French & English threads, Tully gartering, Black knit breeches patterns, Womens silk mitts ...
The Brigade Dispatch is a quarterly publication of The Brigade of the American Revolution. The journal ran a query concerning the term "knit pattern breeches", which got this detailed response:
Knit Patterns (Brigade Dispatch Vol. XXVI, No. 3):
According to Mark Hutter, who portrays the tailor at Colonial Williamsburg, both knit and woven breeches and waistcoat patterns were sold during our period. These "patterns" were essentially kits from which the purchaser could assemble the item in question. The woven patterns were similar to the embroidered waistcoat panels with which we are all familiar. The lines for cutting the pieces were drawn or printed on the fabric so that all the purchaser had to do was cut them out and sew them together. Presumably proper fit was achieved by adjusting the amount of fabric left in the seam allowance. One can imagine that this was a great convenience to those who could not afford the services of a tailor, but had to make their clothing at home. The knit patterns (which apparently were much less abundant) were flat pieces, frame knit to shape, with extra fabric for the waistband, knee bands, etc. The pieces were, as in the case of woven patterns, sewn together to yield a finished garment. This interpretation is borne out by documentary evidence. Several items demonstrate the use of the term "Patterns" to mean pre-made pieces/panels from which the purchaser could cut and assemble breeche s and waistcoats of knitted fabric, rather than something "...cut out in paper to direct the cutting of cloth." 1 In an advertisement which appeared in the September 27, 1787 issue of the New York Independent Journal; or the General Advertiser, Thomas Roberts, importer, offered the following items, among many others: "... Fancy Waistcoat patterns for the winter..."2 In The Daily Advertiser of October 18, 1787, Mr. Roberts advertises that he "... has received by the London Packet, Capt. Woolsey, just arrived from England, an assortment of the new invented Vegetable Waistcoat Patterns, vastly elegant, warm, and immediately adapted to Gentleman's wear in the winter season." 3 In the April 4, 1798 issue of the Carlisle Gazette, an advertisement for a runaway apprentice states that he took with him "... a pattern for a jacket [waistcoat] and overalls of goslin green velvet..."4 When one looks at the context and wording, it is clear that these "patterns" were almost certainly made from the fabric itself, rather than just being guides for cutting the cloth; guides would hardly have been described as "fancy", "vastly elegant, warm, and immediately adapted to Gentleman's wear in the winter season", or "of goslin green velvet." These terms would, however, be consistent with pre-made pieces/panels from which the purchaser could cut and assemble a garment. The concept of a knitted fabric in the 18th- Century may be unfamiliar; there is, however, evidence that some 18th-Century clothing was made from knitted fabric. The book Eighteenth-Century Fashion Plates In Full Color 5 contains reproductions of 64 of 325 fashion plates 6, together with translations of the accompanying captions, from the Galerie des Modes published in France by Jacques Esnauts and Michel Rapilly over the ten year period 1778 to 1787. Two of those plates are relevant to this discussion. The translation of the caption for Plate 15 (Plate 85 of the original series, dated 1778) reads:
Tailor-designer fitting a lady into a fashionable whale-bone corset. He is wearing a hazel coat with a black velvet collar and gold buttons and button holes. His waistcoat is of cerise tricot with gold braid, his trousers of black velvet and his stockings of gray silk. The young woman has a simple skirt and white stockings. Her corset is covered with yellow-died batiste.
The translation of the caption for Plate 19 (Plate 99 of the original series, dated 1779), which shows a gentleman in a suit, reads:
Fraque a coqueluchon of red silk plush with a gold filigree hook instead of buttons in front, faced with black silk plush; the sleeves have black cuffs. The Tricot of the waistcoat is Chine. The breeches are of red calamanco; the stocking s are ribbed; the hat is plush.
The author defines Tricot as "Knitted Fabric."7 Other contemporary references exist for Knit Breeches that appear from context and wording to be outer garments, that is, breeches in the commonly accepted sense of the term. However, they are so few and infrequent among the vast number of other clothing references as to suggest that knit breeches, or indeed other knit clothing items (except for stockings, caps and the like) were at best unusual, and possibly rare. A 1738 list of various kinds of woolen and worsted fabrics then being manufactured in Northampton enumerates 62 different kinds of woolen and worsted goods in addition to "divers sorts of different stuffs too tedious to mention." One of the 62 entries is "Knit Breeches..." 8 The Oxford English Dictionary 9 cites a 1693 advertisement in the London Gazette for "One fine Knit Jersey Night Gown" and "3 pair of Knit Jersey Breeches." The knitting of stockings and other worsted articles was long a staple industry of Jersey, one of the Channel Islands.10 A survey of over 1,200 probate inventories in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, filed between 1750 and 1800 identified 673 coats, waistcoats and breeches among the items inventoried. Among them is only a single item described by the inventory takers "Knit" - a pair of knit breeches - which is further described as being of local manufacture.11 However, there is some evidence to suggest that knit breeches and waistcoats might have been more widely made as undergarments, worn under street clothes, especially in winter, in much the same manner as "long johns." In an advertisement that appeared in the January 27, 1787 issue of the New York Independent Journal; or the General Advertiser, Francis Panton offered the following items, among many others: "... Aberdeen knit under waistcoats, without a seam,..."12 Could these have been based on knit tubes manufactured with machinery and techniques similar to those used extensively to manufacture knit stockings? If so, were these the 18th-Century equivalent of the modem tee shirt? On January 3, 1795 the Fleecy Hosiery Manufactory of L. F. Levallain (a knitting mill?) advertised a wide variety of stockings, socks, gloves, mitts, etc. as being manufactured by them, including "For gentlemen's under-clothing, from No 1 to 3, fleec'd Shirts with and without sleeves, drawers, pantaloons, bosom friends, night caps, ... " and "Lady's under-clothing from No 1 to No 3, fleec'd Under vests with and without sleeves, sliders under coats, night caps, bosom friends,..."13 On November 2, 1795, the Fleecy Hosiery Manufactory advertised in the French and American Gazette "...For men, undershirts, stockings, socks, ... For women, Vests, stockings, under stockings,..."14 Finally, among the 1,672 samples of commercial textiles assembled by Anders Berch (1711 - 1774) to use as teaching aids while he was Professor of economics at Upsalla University, Sweden (1741 - 1771) are six examples of flat "Frame-work knitting," 2 silk and 4 woolen.15 These examples are described as being "... in stocking stitch," and therefore may represent samples of stocking materials. However, they also provide evidence of flat, machine made knit fabrics such as would have been required for pre-made pieces from which the purchaser could assemble breeches and waistcoats of knitted fabric.
1. Johnson, Samuel, LL.D. Dictionary of the English Language, (Rev. W. J. Todd, ed.), Vol. III, London: Longman, Hurst, Rees, Orme and Brown. 1818. 2. Gottesman, Rita Susswein, Compiler. The Arts and Crafts in New York: 1777 - 1799; Advertisements and News Items from New York City Newspapers, New York, The New York Historical Society, 1954, p. 326. 3. Ibid. 4. Hersh, Tandy and Charles. Cloth and Costume: 1750 to 1800, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Carlisle, Cumberland County Historical Society, 1995, p. 113. 5. Blum, Stella (Curator, Costume Institute, The Metropolitan Museum of Art), Eighteenth-Century French Fashion Plates in Full Color - 64 Engravings from the "Galerie des Modes," 1778-1787, New York, Dover Publications, 1982. 6. Ibid, Bibliographical Note, p. v. 325 of the more than 400 original plates were reproduced and published by Emile Levy in Paris between 1911 and 1914. For this "... Levy edition, the original plates were reengraved, but with extreme fidelity, and the coloring was done by hand just as it had been in the eighteenth century." The plates in the Blum work were reproduced from a copy of the Levy reproduction. 7. Blum, Glossary, p. xv. 8. James, John. History of the Worsted Manufacture in England: With Introductory Notices of the Manufacturer among the Ancient Nations, and during the Middle Ages. London: Bradford, 1857. Reprint ed., London: Frank Cass, 1968. Cited in Montgomery, Florence M. Textiles in America: 1650-1870. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1984; p. 376. 9. Oxford English Dictionary: Being a Corrected Reissue ... of a New English Dictionary on Historical Principles. 13 vols. Oxford: at the Clarendon Press, 1933. Cited in Montogmery, op. cit., p. 271. 10. Montogmery, op. cit., p. 271. 11. Hersh, Tandy and Charles. Op. cit., p. 112. 12. Gottesman; op. cit., p. 325. 13. Ibid., p. 335. 14. Ibid., p. 335 - 336. 15. Stavenow-Hidemark, Elisabet (ed.), 18th Century Textiles: the Anders Berch Collection at the Nordiska Museet. Stockholm, Nordiska Museet forlag, 1990, p. 152-153
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My takeaway for all this is that anything resembling a modern sweater is probably not appropriate, but that knit underclothing, both waistcoat and breeches, worn for warmth is acceptable. Outer clothing, also waistcoat and breeches, of the knit pattern type seems to be documented.
If course that begs the question of the Guernsey sweater or Gansey which is apparently documented as having been made in the channel islands since late 15th century. And it looks like a sweater.
Spence
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