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Post by paranger on Feb 3, 2021 18:47:03 GMT -7
This is my attempt to bench copy an original bag pictured in T.C Albert's book Recreating the 18th Century Hunting Pouch (p. 83-84).   I was drawn to this one by its funky hybrid "make-do" sort of vibe. The woven strap is mated to two 9" leather terminal ends, each with its own hand-forged iron buckle which offers about a 10" total range of adjustment. The bag itself has a welted seam construction with a single compartment and a flap secured by a single brass button. The horizontal orientation of the bag is almost remeniscent of a 9-round belly box, minus the wood block. Like the original, mine features a patch knife sewn to the inside of the forward strap with a simple running stitch. Each strap has 4 leather keepers above the buckle, which I found oddly excessive until I installed the simple rectangular framed buckles like those on the original. Without a central divider for the buckle tongue, the only tension which keeps the buckle engaged is provided by the leather keepers above. With a 5" range of adjustment, it really does require 4 of them to do the job. |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Feb 5, 2021 2:46:45 GMT -7
PARanger,
If I recall correctly wasn't it suspected that this particular pouch may have been based on a cartridge box?
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Post by paranger on Feb 5, 2021 5:25:42 GMT -7
PARanger, If I recall correctly wasn't it suspected that this particular pouch may have been based on a cartridge box? That is what the author hints at. It certainly has that look, though it would have to have been a small, single row block - maybe 7 to 9 rounds max. |
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Post by hawkeyes on Feb 5, 2021 5:56:56 GMT -7
Very nicely done. That bag has always been an interesting piece.
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Feb 5, 2021 6:45:39 GMT -7
PARanger, If I recall correctly wasn't it suspected that this particular pouch may have been based on a cartridge box? That is what the author hints at. It certainly has that look, though it would have to have been a small, single row block - maybe 7 to 9 rounds max. A “belly box” inspiration perhaps? |
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Post by paranger on Feb 5, 2021 9:05:37 GMT -7
That would be my thought, as well.
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Post by hawkeyes on Feb 5, 2021 11:31:20 GMT -7
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Post by paranger on Feb 5, 2021 13:01:21 GMT -7
Yep. Upper left is the original! Nice pics. |
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Post by artificer on Feb 6, 2021 0:58:39 GMT -7
Very unusual pouch!
When looking at the original, I'm wondering if the knife sheath is stitched to the side of the front strap instead of behind it?
Gus
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Post by paranger on Feb 6, 2021 5:09:54 GMT -7
Very unusual pouch! When looking at the original, I'm wondering if the knife sheath is stitched to the side of the front strap instead of behind it? Gus If you look closely at the picture above, you can see that the strap is twisted. You are actually looking at the back of the forward strap end (assuming right hand carry). Albert's book has better pictures including closeups of the strap and sheath detail. |
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Post by artificer on Feb 6, 2021 13:48:40 GMT -7
Very unusual pouch! When looking at the original, I'm wondering if the knife sheath is stitched to the side of the front strap instead of behind it? Gus If you look closely at the picture above, you can see that the strap is twisted. You are actually looking at the back of the forward strap end (assuming right hand carry). Albert's book has better pictures including closeups of the strap and sheath detail. Thanks for the explanation. Have you worn it much yet to see if it is comfortable to have the knife sheath on the inside of the strap? Gus |
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Post by paranger on Feb 6, 2021 14:10:14 GMT -7
If you look closely at the picture above, you can see that the strap is twisted. You are actually looking at the back of the forward strap end (assuming right hand carry). Albert's book has better pictures including closeups of the strap and sheath detail. Thanks for the explanation. Have you worn it much yet to see if it is comfortable to have the knife sheath on the inside of the strap? Gus Gus, I have only briefly tried it on, but have not worn it with full kit as yet. The knife positioning falls on the upper right chest. It is comfortable enough there by itself, but I,too, wonder if it will interfere with a powder horn strap, canteen, haversack, etc. For me, the goal of this project was more to recreate an interesting original piece and learn in the process from the details and intricacies of its construction, rather than making a piece of personal kit for an impression. At this point - probably much to my wife's chagrin - I have more variants of every piece of kit than I will ever use. If this pandemic ever ends, it will probably end up (along with a LOT of knives and other kit) in a blanket sale. |
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Post by artificer on Feb 6, 2021 14:40:21 GMT -7
Thanks for the explanation. Have you worn it much yet to see if it is comfortable to have the knife sheath on the inside of the strap? Gus Gus, I have only briefly tried it on, but have not worn it with full kit as yet. The knife positioning falls on the upper right chest. It is comfortable enough there by itself, but I,too, wonder if it will interfere with a powder horn strap, canteen, haversack, etc. For me, the goal of this project was more to recreate an interesting original piece and learn in the process from the details and intricacies of its construction, rather than making a piece of personal kit for an impression. At this point - probably much to my wife's chagrin - I have more variants of every piece of kit than I will ever use. If this pandemic ever ends, it will probably end up (along with a LOT of knives and other kit) in a blanket sale. I very much applaud you for your interest in learning details and intricacies of construction! I've had similar interests in this and other time periods, over the years. That's why I have always gotten so excited to examine original pieces, though in this time period, that is not easy at all and especially with leather goods. Sometimes that means you wind up with, "Well, that doesn't seem like it works out very well." Sometimes you find out, "Oh, THAT'S why they did it that way!" or "Rube Goldberg was active far earlier than I thought." And sometimes, "WOW, I would never have thought of that!" Grin.
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Post by paranger on Feb 6, 2021 16:46:16 GMT -7
Gus, I have only briefly tried it on, but have not worn it with full kit as yet. The knife positioning falls on the upper right chest. It is comfortable enough there by itself, but I,too, wonder if it will interfere with a powder horn strap, canteen, haversack, etc. For me, the goal of this project was more to recreate an interesting original piece and learn in the process from the details and intricacies of its construction, rather than making a piece of personal kit for an impression. At this point - probably much to my wife's chagrin - I have more variants of every piece of kit than I will ever use. If this pandemic ever ends, it will probably end up (along with a LOT of knives and other kit) in a blanket sale. I very much applaud you for your interest in learning details and intricacies of construction! I've had similar interests in this and other time periods, over the years. That's why I have always gotten so excited to examine original pieces, though in this time period, that is not easy at all and especially with leather goods. Sometimes that means you wind up with, "Well, that doesn't seem like it works out very well." Sometimes you find out, "Oh, THAT'S why they did it that way!" or "Rube Goldberg was active far earlier than I thought." And sometimes, "WOW, I would never have thought of that!" Grin.
Gus Exactly! |
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