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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2019 6:14:19 GMT -7
It is based on a large haversack to which I added gussets at the seams to give more space. I attached leather to the bottom as reinforcement after I ripped a lower strap attachment from the material. I appreciate the question - I made this pack long ago before I had done much study and just kept using it because it worked. I've seen a few images that might show something similar, but I guess I should go look again... Interesting!! To refine my question a bit: Since Haversacks of that type were mainly used by Military or Militia, is it based on a military design and if so, whose?
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2019 6:27:32 GMT -7
I've considered doing the same. What keeps me from proceeding is the ticks and that people might take a shot at a deer, even if it was riding piggy-back on a human wearing blaze orange... I don't think that you could pull that trick off with an Elk but maybe something small like a feral pig of the right size
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 13, 2019 16:59:03 GMT -7
It is based on a large haversack to which I added gussets at the seams to give more space. I attached leather to the bottom as reinforcement after I ripped a lower strap attachment from the material. I appreciate the question - I made this pack long ago before I had done much study and just kept using it because it worked. I've seen a few images that might show something similar, but I guess I should go look again... Interesting!! To refine my question a bit: Since Haversacks of that type were mainly used by Military or Militia, is it based on a military design and if so, whose? Militia were civilian forces and the Military went home after their service - so to say a knapsack would be exclusively a militia/military option might be going a little far. It doesn't take long wearing a haversack to realize a 2-strap knapsack conversion makes it a far more usable item... An image from Keith's website that is generally the same shape and configuration: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-zB16h7JsZ3I/T0HLnTBKBoI/AAAAAAAAFSg/OOV-z5XpyvA/s640/Knapsack+1.tifJudging by the coat cuffs - I'd guess early to mid 18th century at the latest. Another from Keith: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-3CHskYWtVRo/UQ4oPKWRxyI/AAAAAAAAK9o/UQcY1sPK9Mw/s1600/Ferdinand+Kobell+ravellers+with+a+knapsack+18th+century.+Large.%232.jpgThere are images of a wide variety of packs/bags/sacks that might be used by the civilian population, of which the knapsack is only one. I have friends that use a haversack exclusively, but I've always found it an uncomfortable way to carry gear.
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Post by Keith on Apr 13, 2019 17:59:06 GMT -7
It is based on a large haversack to which I added gussets at the seams to give more space. I attached leather to the bottom as reinforcement after I ripped a lower strap attachment from the material. I appreciate the question - I made this pack long ago before I had done much study and just kept using it because it worked. I've seen a few images that might show something similar, but I guess I should go look again... Interesting!! To refine my question a bit: Since Haversacks of that type were mainly used by Military or Militia, is it based on a military design and if so, whose? The haversack was widely used by civilians as well as military, & came in a variety of sizes. Keith. Haversack/Habersack or not to Havresac? woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/search?q=haversack
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2019 5:10:51 GMT -7
It is based on a large haversack to which I added gussets at the seams to give more space. I attached leather to the bottom as reinforcement after I ripped a lower strap attachment from the material. I appreciate the question - I made this pack long ago before I had done much study and just kept using it because it worked. I've seen a few images that might show something similar, but I guess I should go look again... I like the leather reinforcement idea, How much did you add to the bottom ? While I'm asking that, what are the dimensions of your pack? What are the shoulder straps like?
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2019 5:14:16 GMT -7
Interesting!! To refine my question a bit: Since Haversacks of that type were mainly used by Military or Militia, is it based on a military design and if so, whose? The haversack was widely used by civilians as well as military, & came in a variety of sizes. Keith. Haversack/Habersack or not to Havresac? woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/search?q=haversack
Excellent read! Why do you prefer your bed roll stowed on top of the pack? Doesn't it knock you hat about ?
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 15, 2019 5:59:04 GMT -7
It is based on a large haversack to which I added gussets at the seams to give more space. I attached leather to the bottom as reinforcement after I ripped a lower strap attachment from the material. I appreciate the question - I made this pack long ago before I had done much study and just kept using it because it worked. I've seen a few images that might show something similar, but I guess I should go look again... I like the leather reinforcement idea, How much did you add to the bottom ? While I'm asking that, what are the dimensions of your pack? What are the shoulder straps like? Stay tuned - I'll get more pictures & measurements shortly...
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 15, 2019 15:12:38 GMT -7
Pack is 13"H x 13"W x 4"D. The leather covers the entire bottom and extends ~1" up the front and back. Straps are ~1.5" wide and reduced in width to fit buckles at the bottom. The sewing attachments for the straps have a piece of leather inside the pack to reinforce the stitching (canvas between 2 leather parts). A simple leather breast-strap (thongs) is attached to the shoulder straps about mid-chest.
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Post by Keith on Apr 15, 2019 15:21:18 GMT -7
The haversack was widely used by civilians as well as military, & came in a variety of sizes. Keith. Haversack/Habersack or not to Havresac? woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/search?q=haversack
Excellent read! Why do you prefer your bed roll stowed on top of the pack? Doesn't it knock you hat about ?For one this is the easiest method, my blanket roll is simply secured to the shoulder straps. As it is the simplest method I reasoned that it was probably the most common method used. I have not seen any extant period packs with bedroll straps on the bottom of the pack. Depending on your walking gate there can also be some bouncing of the bedroll if it is resting on one's buttocks or lower. The brim on my hat is turned up on one side. This avoids the problem of rubbing on the blanket roll, & turned around it gives me better vision for hunting. I can of course turn the other side of the brim up too if needed when journeying. Keith.
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Post by Guest on Apr 16, 2019 20:06:19 GMT -7
Linen or Hemp canvas was available (maybe some cotton?). That said, they are expensive today so I used heavy cotton canvas. This pack started life as a failed attempt at a rifleman's frock that didn't quite fit right...
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Post by Guest on Apr 16, 2019 20:11:23 GMT -7
For one this is the easiest method, my blanket roll is simply secured to the shoulder straps. As it is the simplest method I reasoned that it was probably the most common method used. I have not seen any extant period packs with bedroll straps on the bottom of the pack. Depending on your walking gate there can also be some bouncing of the bedroll if it is resting on one's buttocks or lower. The brim on my hat is turned up on one side. This avoids the problem of rubbing on the blanket roll, & turned around it gives me better vision for hunting. I can of course turn the other side of the brim up too if needed when journeying. Keith. I notice that your straps run all the way across the bottom of the pack and half way up the opposite side. Is this a reinforcement? Is it just as good as lining the bottom with leather? Is your blanket large and folded in thirds? Do you pack supplies in the blanket as well to expand you ability to carry more items? Is that a matchcoat hung across the top of the pack?
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 17, 2019 15:20:34 GMT -7
I pack mine in a similar fashion as Keith in a way. Properly fitting even a period pack is essential to comfort and longevity of your body and mind on a long trek. The adjustable straps on everyones packs are critical! A low riding pack with gear is torture on the body after a few miles. I'll also occasionally use a piece of hemp or leather wang to essentially fashion a simple breast strap which is a simple and functional solution for additional comfort.
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Post by Guest on Apr 19, 2019 4:28:09 GMT -7
Hawkeyes, I notice that each pack has their straps attached slightly differently, yours seem a little closer together than the others. Is this a preference or is it related to a measurement of the shoulder width ? Are straps themselves also a certain with to remain within a period spec? On shoulder strap adjustments: is it period to used buckles?
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 19, 2019 16:38:51 GMT -7
Hawkeyes, I notice that each pack has their straps attached slightly differently, yours seem a little closer together than the others. Is this a preference or is it related to a measurement of the shoulder width ? Are straps themselves also a certain with to remain within a period spec? On shoulder strap adjustments: is it period to used buckles? Personal preference, I'm a rather small framed individual and like my straps to fit tightly. Same goes for my modern backcountry frame pack, straps are actually custom fit. Each individual is different as no two packs are alike. I prefer my pack to sit higher on my back and I'll pack my gear accordingly for even weight distribution. I'm a seasoned backcountry trekker, with period gear and my modern hiking gear. I can say fitting your pack to your body is of the utmost importance. Period treks with gear should be a comfortable endeavor and not torture on the body. Play around with multiple strap configurations to find what is most comfortable for you. Also yes, buckles were used for adjustment on period packs. It certainly would have been common for a individual to fashion their own self made knapsack as well, which is very representative to most of what you see here.
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Post by Sicilianhunter on Apr 21, 2019 8:06:15 GMT -7
Hawkeyes, I have a pack (untested) that is similar to yours but the straps are further apart and may need to be reset closer but I find when they are too close that the main bag tends to swing and shift with movement. My first trip out with will tell me much. A sternum strap looks like a good addition. The Seneca pack frame is what I have an interest in and will produce a usable rendition as soon as I can collect the materials to do so. I mainly queried about the packs themselves in this thread and I will need to replace the one I have currently with a version of what I've learned about here from yourself, Hand and Keith. Not so sure it would be the most Period Correct piece but I am going to try and keep it close to those guidelines and still suit my needs and comfort level.
The Sicilian
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