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Post by artificer on Apr 17, 2021 18:26:08 GMT -7
Not my period or taste either, BUT it is a NICELY made pouch. Nice Job, Sir.
Gus
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 18, 2021 4:18:08 GMT -7
"New" is an unavoidable issue that affected our ancestors as well. Fortunately, it is curable with time (and use).... For sure, just gotta get that good use, can't get around it. Same goes for aging rifles... Very much against artificial aging of period pieces. Anyone who knows can tell you after a few good outings a bare rifle and accoutrements will definitely start showing that beautiful patina. |
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Post by lenapej on Apr 18, 2021 7:41:49 GMT -7
This one was found in northeastern Ohio, and Grant dates it 1790-1800.  image uploadHere is the description if you can read it:  Thank you sir! much appreciated. |
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 18, 2021 8:03:32 GMT -7
As Grant's dates are believed to be a little "fluid", this date range could be a little wider. Proceed...
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Post by paranger on Apr 18, 2021 8:41:00 GMT -7
As Grant's dates are believed to be a little "fluid", this date range could be a little wider. Proceed... Concur. Even informed date estimates are rough at best. My recommendation would be to look for overall stylistic, material, and construction trends over time. For instance, it has been widely observed that bag dimensions generally got larger as time went on (7"x7" is a common size in surviving mid 18th c. bags) even as horns got smaller (corresponding to decreasing caliber of rifle calibers post revolution) progressing into the first half of the 19th c. |
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Post by spence on Apr 18, 2021 9:01:46 GMT -7
A very nice bag, paranger. Your craftsmanship on all your projects is impressive.
I compiled the different kinds of leather used for all the bags in Madison Grant's book, if anyone is interested:
Cowhide -- 28
Calfskin -- 26
Pigskin -- 4
Calfskin with hair on -- 3
Bearskin -- 1
Sheepskin -- 1
Buffalo -- 1
Buckskin --1 (Indian)
Moose -- 1 (Indian)
Beaver -- 1 (the famous Medina pouch)
There are many mentions of shot pouches in ads or other items in 18th-century newspapers, but I found only 4 with descriptions in my little database:
1765 otter
1767 calf with hair
1772 old sheepskin
1775 blue plush
Spence
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Post by paranger on Apr 18, 2021 12:06:05 GMT -7
Thanks for the kind words, Spence.
That is an interesting - and useful - data compilation. I love this type of statistical analysis, as it gives us some data on relative commonality / frequency of occurence. I find that helpful in building an informed impression. Thanks for sharing!
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