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Post by paranger on Apr 16, 2021 16:12:45 GMT -7
I based this on a 19th c. example from central Pennsylvania. While the original was a double pouch, I made this one a gusseted single with slightly larger dimensions.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 16, 2021 16:37:06 GMT -7
I like it!
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 16, 2021 17:28:45 GMT -7
Very unique, not my style personally but I could certainly compromise on this rig. Well done my friend.
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Post by paranger on Apr 16, 2021 17:38:16 GMT -7
Thanks, gents.
For the record, it's a little late for my taste and impressions, but I found the form interesting as well as the fact that the original came from my neck of the woods
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 16, 2021 17:48:32 GMT -7
Very unique, not my style personally but I could certainly compromise on this rig. Well done my friend. Too pretty for you...
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Post by paranger on Apr 16, 2021 17:52:21 GMT -7
Very unique, not my style personally but I could certainly compromise on this rig. Well done my friend. Too pretty for you... That's probably it 😅
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 17, 2021 4:26:59 GMT -7
Very unique, not my style personally but I could certainly compromise on this rig. Well done my friend. Too pretty for you... WAY to pretty, absolutely right! One thing that drives me bonkers about constructing new gear is the "newness". Paramount one finds a mud puddle or roll around like a mad man in the dirt and grime... Good old fashioned use will get that rig in shape!
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 17, 2021 4:51:22 GMT -7
"New" is an unavoidable issue that affected our ancestors as well. Fortunately, it is curable with time (and use)....
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Post by paranger on Apr 17, 2021 5:00:55 GMT -7
"New" is an unavoidable issue that affected our ancestors as well. Fortunately, it is curable with time (and use).... Agreed. I have seen this issue come up often on forums or just casual conversstion at period events. Without getting into the merits of the "artificial aging" or "antiquing" debate, I will say that I agree that nothing helps the authenticity of an impression like well-worn, aged - and yes, even dirty gear. The problem comes when many of us don't get to indulge in our hobby as much as we would like, in which case it can take a lifetime to impart the proper patina. Hence the temptation to "help things along" a bit.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 17, 2021 6:01:55 GMT -7
I understand the urge to help things along and I have done a little of this myself when repairing gear. That said, if you pick up the gear, handle it and use it for a short time - the new quickly wears off. It doesn't even need to be extensive use, just some.
Take a knife for example - use it in your kitchen for a couple weeks..."instant" patina. Clothes - wear around the house while doing chores and wash a few times...patina. Handling leather with your grubby, oily hands...patina. Any shooting gear just needs to be used a few times...patina.
Repeat as necessary....
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Post by paranger on Apr 17, 2021 7:50:25 GMT -7
As a side note, Wallace Gusler documented an early VA (ca. 1785) hair on calfskin shot pouch in the June 2010 issue of Muzzle Blasts that had the remains of "red and white hair," similar to that pictured here.
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Post by lenapej on Apr 17, 2021 8:40:20 GMT -7
Very nice! I have been wanting to make a new PC shot bag and have been searching the net for originals, one thing I am confused by is makers saying, "this is a VA style bag, a Kentucky bag, a southern appalachian bag, a PA bag, etc", where are they getting the info? I can find very little on what styles come from where, it would be awesome if those of you in the know would make a post on the different styles and include photos.
I am rather skeptical of people on the net saying these things and give no documentation for it, that is why I ask.
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Post by paranger on Apr 17, 2021 15:24:07 GMT -7
Very nice! I have been wanting to make a new PC shot bag and have been searching the net for originals, one thing I am confused by is makers saying, "this is a VA style bag, a Kentucky bag, a southern appalachian bag, a PA bag, etc", where are they getting the info? I can find very little on what styles come from where, it would be awesome if those of you in the know would make a post on the different styles and include photos. I am rather skeptical of people on the net saying these things and give no documentation for it, that is why I ask.  It's a great question - and you are right to be skeptical. In Madison Grant's book Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouches, he talks about how there are so few surviving shot pouches from the 18th c., that they cannot really be fit into a taxonomy of "schools" like longrifles are. Rather, he attributes locales to pouches only based upon known provenance. In some cases, certain stylistic elements do seem to be loosely associated with particular areas, like the heart shaped bags of Southern Appalachia, for instance, which Jim Webb takes on in a separate (and very hard to find) book. Grant's book is dated, but still a good reference if only for the sheer number of documented bags (although most are 19th c.)
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Post by lenapej on Apr 17, 2021 15:35:19 GMT -7
Thank you Paranger, do you know of any 18th century bags from the PA or OH area? I would like to get some of the books you all mention, just have not got around to it yet.
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Post by paranger on Apr 17, 2021 15:49:31 GMT -7
This one was found in northeastern Ohio, and Grant dates it 1790-1800. image uploadHere is the description if you can read it:
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