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Post by brokennock on Oct 3, 2021 13:30:45 GMT -7
Well, there is good news and bad news. Good news 1st. After over a year of watching the website, checking back on it regularly. Well, honestly, with less and less frequency as I gave up hope. Johnson Woolen Mills is listing hunter orange wool as in stock again. The bad news? It is $49.95 per yard. johnsonwoolenmills.com/product/wool-fabric-yard/
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 4, 2021 4:14:29 GMT -7
Whoah... I have an individual here locally that dyes wool. She told me what the dye was but I can't remember what it was... I'll look into that again.
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 4, 2021 7:06:28 GMT -7
It needs to be a procion dye - Jacquard is one brand.
Straight from the expert... Don't know what composition of dye this stuff is as I've never even heard of it.
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Post by brokennock on Oct 4, 2021 13:02:05 GMT -7
Interesting. I had trouble even finding a dye described as blaze or hunter orange. The one labeled "safety orange" is unconvincing. It is supposed to be for natural materials like wool and cotton.
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Post by spence on Oct 4, 2021 13:31:09 GMT -7
I have to admit I've never understood the idea of making HC/PC clothing of blaze orange. I see people post about making really complex garments, which I know require a lot of effort, time and expense, and yet can never in any way be historically correct. Being the simple minded and frugal person I am, I opted for a $2 blaze orange vest and a cheap knitted cap.They meet all the legal requirements, slip off and on in seconds, and when wearing them over my colonial rig I forget them completely. I can't imagine that would be possible if the actual clothing were of blaze orange, and I'd be constantly aware of them. I think of the average person doing living history as being of one of two types, those working hard to get exactly the right look for public display or those in the game for the experience and the education, display be damned. I have trouble figuring how colonial garments made of blaze orange fit into either category. I guess I need to broaden my filing system. Spence
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 4, 2021 14:33:32 GMT -7
I'm with Spence. I wear a cheap blaze mesh vest over my period clothing...
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 4, 2021 15:57:47 GMT -7
I think it's a matter of being able to have a garment made from a historic pattern while meeting the state law. For me, I'd make one because I can, and would like a specific garment JUST for gun season.
The blaze orange vests I've worn in the past are a one size fits all... Uncomfortable for a fella my size, gets caught on everything and anything while urking me off 90% of the time. Distracts me from my main goal of harvesting my game animal and when I'm in the forest under hunting conditions I absolutely despise any distraction from my gear.
I see both sides but I'm "assuming" nocks thought process may be along the lines of mine. Being able to produce a historic garment to meet the modern regulation. If I can personally source a white wool and dye for a reasonable cost I'll absolutely make one specifically for our gun season. You wouldn't catch me dead wearing it a 1,000 yards from an event but you'd probably be able to see me!
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Post by brokennock on Oct 4, 2021 16:58:26 GMT -7
Yup. Hawkeye is pretty much on point. I too see both sides. But, I have asked the question before. If a garment feels and acts like a historical garment, meaning it has the same insulation qualities, or lack thereof,,,, or even is warmer than one might like for the season but is of a material and insulation value that would have been worn at the time, does the color matter? To look at the question from the other side, if one made a waistcoat or a 1750s style men's frock coat that was of a documented period color, but made it out of Cordura and with a goretex or thinsulate liner instead of linen liner,,, is it period? It no longer behaves like a period garment. It is cut the same, is the same color, but wears differently and behaves differently.
To me throwing a modern orange vest over carefully selected and prepared period clothing ruins the whole thing. Most are noisy unless made of wool or, worse, polyester fleece. Might offer rain protection one wouldn't have in just period clothes.
Sure, having to wear blaze orange at all while pursuing our period interests sucks, but, why add a modern garment to the mix?
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 4, 2021 17:30:08 GMT -7
I like the idea, and you mentioned it the garment being of a period design/ pattern and behaving as such minus the color, in this instance because our states mandate it, can't get around it unfortunately and for good reason... I've met fellas that shouldn't handle a weapon period, let alone carry it into the forest.
Back on point, ultimately no right or wrong area I guess. We all are subject to the hunter orange requirement, be it a pullover vest from the box store or an 18th century pattern wool waistcoat dyed hunter orange. For me... I like the styling of a well made garment based on a historic piece. Sure more work and length involved than some may want to venture into. In the end, how much are you willing to invest I reckon. $2.00 vest or a nicely made garment quadruple the price? I'll make the garment because I can while finding the process enjoyable. I'd rather not wear neither but I like being alive and staying on the good side of ole Johnny law.
This to me is one of those personal "purpose and gain" situations. Were we have broken the confines of historical law either way.
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 4, 2021 17:53:05 GMT -7
I can see the other perspective as well. However, I can't see investing all the time and expense for a one-trick-pony. Making another period clothing item is always a good thing, but it should be something that can be worn at any event or under any given circumstance.
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 5, 2021 6:27:43 GMT -7
I can see the other perspective as well. However, I can't see investing all the time and expense for a one-trick-pony. Making another period clothing item is always a good thing, but it should be something that can be worn at any event or under any given circumstance. That's why you need... "Spares"!
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Post by paranger on Oct 5, 2021 15:28:08 GMT -7
Boy, am I glad I don't have to deal with this one in Pennsylvania! A quandry, indeed.
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 5, 2021 17:47:22 GMT -7
On the plus side - Montana officially has a 1-week TRADITIONAL muzzleloader season (at least until the center-fire hunters and guide services complain enough to get it tossed).
I will admit to having a hunting shirt I made and dyed a most obnoxious orangey-yellow color - haven't had the heart to wear it in the field...
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Post by armando on Oct 24, 2021 4:40:47 GMT -7
I do like Black Hand and just throw on a cheap orange vest when heading into the woods during fire season. Then I take it off at the end of my hunt for my pictures.
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Post by Black Hand on Oct 24, 2021 5:22:39 GMT -7
While wandering through the woods in search of a deer on opening day (yesterday), it occurred to me the easiest orange garment would be a hunting shirt. As a hunting shirt is usually worn over other clothing, this seems to be a good compromise. Also, a hunting shirt is far easier to make that a waistcoat and it doesn't matter if it gets torn or dirty...
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