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Post by armando on Jun 25, 2022 18:51:34 GMT -7
I was gifted a very old flintlock pistol kit by sons. Appears to be a Pedersoli kit (need to lay everything out and make sure I have all the pieces).
I don't think this one requires to much on my end since all the inletting is done (lock fits right in) but my question was about staining the wood.
Is there a recommended stain (or historically correct) paint to use? I figure this will be one of my first steps (purchase the stain/paint).
I will start playing with shaping it first.
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Post by artificer on Jun 25, 2022 20:23:43 GMT -7
What wood is the stock? What color are you interested in? Do you really want to go traditional or use more modern dyes/stains? Are you going to use the traditional method of scraping the stock (not sanding) the desired surface finish with cabinet scrapers before staining? Rushes were used to whisker and smooth the stock and on more expensive guns, rottenstone in oil and lesser abrasive emery powders in oil to give the final rub out over the Oil Varnish finish. Aqua Fortis (Strong Water) aka Iron Nitrate (acid) was a common stain in the period for maple stocks. If you ever saw the old "Gunsmith of Colonial Williamsburg" film, that is what Wallace Gusler used along with a heated soldering iron to get the necessary heat for it to turn the reddish brown color. Nowadays you use a heat gun to warm the wood. The only problem (for we modern folk) is you can't adjust the color much, which didn't bother them at all most of the time, though they did use "Spirit" (Alcohol Base) Stains on fancier guns. Here's a couple videos to get you going. Staining Curly Maple Gun Stock With Iron Nitrate: www.youtube.com/watch?v=knSI5R5prxITesting Various Stains on Maple - Iron Nitrate and Dye Stains: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQjASsPC6woGus PS Other stains like Asphaltum and paint were used on lesser expensive long guns, but not normally on pistols.
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Post by artificer on Jun 25, 2022 20:31:27 GMT -7
Oh, if the stock is made out of beech or birch, then you have to do something altogether different.
Gus
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Post by artificer on Jun 25, 2022 20:45:38 GMT -7
Oh, one problem with Aqua Fortis or other acid stains is you MIGHT wind up with a strong greenish color down the road, if you don't properly neutralize the wood after staining/heating. Some folks never have run into this when they don't neutralize the stock, but I've seen three or four stocks turn the greenish color weeks to months after the stock was finished and that is NOT GOOD as the acid is still eating the wood.
Gus
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Post by hawkeyes on Jun 26, 2022 4:05:38 GMT -7
I believe those pedersoli kits are walnut... If that's the case I wouldn't stain it and would recommend a good finish like permalyn.
There was a fella that did an entire workup on a pedersoli pistol, personally not my thing but his turned out very nice once he fixed her up.
Believe it was Duelist Dave from the YouTube.
I never have neutralized the iron nitrate that you can purchase, honestly not entirely sure it's truly iron nitrate... If it is the concentration is very weak. However, Gus is absolutely right about neutralizing. I used to make my own solution, very easy to do and it's much stronger than the little brown bottles so neutralizing was a must.
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Post by armando on Jun 26, 2022 5:25:31 GMT -7
I found the yellowed pages of instructions inside this vintage kit and it's actually a Richland Arms Pennsylvania Pistol kit. Quite old to tell from the "instructions" sheets that are almost decomposed.
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Post by artificer on Jun 26, 2022 8:03:15 GMT -7
If the kit was made in Italy, it may to probably is a walnut stock, though often very light colored european walnut.
This is a huge caution if you want to stain it darker and depends on the stain you use. If you use something like the alkanet root dye stains, you just apply it over the wood and it works fine. It won't stain it very dark, though.
However, many "spirit" or alcohol base stains, and many/most hardware store oil or water base stains can get you into real trouble and cause really blotchy areas on the forward and rear part of the grip, in particular. This because there is so much end grain on those parts of the grip that really suck up the stain more than the regular grain of the rest of the wood. So you MUST do an extra step with pistol stocks before you stain them.
If you do finish the wood with sandpaper, vacuum off or blow off all the dust with compressed air. Thin down whatever varnish oil you are going to use as the finish to about half strength. This means by volume, you use equal parts of the oil varnish and whatever is the reducer for it. I use Tru Oil, so for a pistol stock, one teaspoon of the Oil mixed with one teaspoon of high grade alcohol (well stirred together) works great. Rub this mixture hard into wood and once you go over the whole stock, go back and rub more into the areas that sucked the oil up the most, this so you have as even of a coat of this oil mixture on the stock as possible and well rubbed in. Tru Oil is supposed to set up in 4 hours, but I leave this on overnight to thoroughly dry/cure. Then use whatever was the last grit of sandpaper and sand the whole stock down to bare wood on the surface once more. The finish seals the pores of the wood and especially the end grain parts, so your staining won't leave blotches.
On most stains, you don't want to use them full strength, better to reduce the stain with two or three parts of whatever reducer is best for your stain and build the color up as you go. I normally go over the whole stock as evenly as possible, then go back to the lighter areas to blend in additional coats of stain as needed. Once you get the color even, let it dry at least 30 minutes for spirit (alcohol based) stains and longer periods for other stains as found on the container. Then I rub the dickens out of it with an old terrycloth kitchen towel. I take it outside in the sun to see if the color is even and dark as I want. If not, I add more stain where needed and repeat the other steps. Once that is done, I apply an even coat of oil finish and let it dry overnight inside. The next day, I take it outside in the shade and allow it to cure all day. If it is still a bit tacky, it goes outside for another day, but this time in the sun for two hours only on each side. After that, I put full strength coats of Oil Varnish on the stock, as many as needed and that's normally three to 5 coats with Tru Oil.
After each full strength coat dries, I lightly rub with the fine Grey Abrasive Pads from the Paint Sections of Hardware stores. I STOPPED using steel wool for this shortly after these abrasive pads came into use, as they don't leave "steel hairs" in the finish you might not see until you build up the finish over them. After the last coat of finish, I use either the Grey or White color abrasive pads to soften the shine as much as I want.
BTW, years ago I bought a little paperback book on the way early American furniture was stained in the 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries with original recipes for those stains. I learned this tip to seal the pores before staining from that book of quotes, as no one in the period would accept different color pieces of wood that make up the furniture, especially the high status Mahoghany wood furniture of the 18th century.
Gus
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Post by hawkeyes on Jun 26, 2022 8:29:09 GMT -7
Alcohol... never thought of adding that to Tru oil. That may be the issue I've always had with it. I moved away from it years ago and went to permalyn, never looked back.
I can see thinning the base would make it easier to work with. Have you noticed shorter drying times with the additional amount of alcohol?
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Post by artificer on Jun 26, 2022 8:52:19 GMT -7
Yes, there are shorter drying times when mixing alcohol with Tru Oil to thin it. However, I really can't say how much shorter as it depends on the type of wood and that individual stock.
Gus
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