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Post by Black Hand on Apr 20, 2019 11:17:06 GMT -7
Twined/Braided from hemp twine (18 strands) embellished with white Pony beads. Center section is 2' and the tails are 7' (16" of flat-braid then splits into 2 braided tails of 9 strands each finished with decorative crown/stopper knot).
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Tumpline
Apr 20, 2019 18:34:37 GMT -7
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Post by brokennock on Apr 20, 2019 18:34:37 GMT -7
Very nice, puts my pathetic improvised hopus strap to shame. Might we please get a close up of the transition from wide strap to ties?
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 21, 2019 3:47:53 GMT -7
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 21, 2019 11:35:59 GMT -7
Might we please get a close up of the transition from wide strap to ties? The beads were added after completion and are on a separate strand passed though the outermost loops of the twining. Next time, it will be a single rather than split tail...
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Tumpline
Apr 21, 2019 15:55:43 GMT -7
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Post by brokennock on Apr 21, 2019 15:55:43 GMT -7
Interesting, thank you. Why not split the tail into 2 pieces as soon as it departs the wide band of the strap? This is what gets tied around the blanket, or other burden, correct?
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Tumpline
Apr 21, 2019 16:02:17 GMT -7
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Post by brokennock on Apr 21, 2019 16:02:17 GMT -7
Mine is more similar to that of Hawkeyes in that I cut a strap of commercial cotton webbing, about the same width as his, to a predetermined length for carrying with the strap horizontally across the top of my chest and around the top of my shoulders, same sewn on leather around the end, but, I have a length of cotton rope instead of the braided straps. No where near as long as the tie ends on either of yours, only a little extra beyond what is needed to tie my rolled wool blanket and and extra layer, shirt or sweater.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 21, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -7
Why not split the tail into 2 pieces as soon as it departs the wide band of the strap? This is what gets tied around the blanket, or other burden, correct? Since the center portion is a little wider than my shoulders, I wanted a solid portion before I split the tails. Not certain why I did it that way, but that is where I went. Next time I make one (and I may not need to make another since Hemp is far tougher than Jute, which I used to make my first tumpline), everything past the center portion with be a single strap/tail (no split).
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Apr 21, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -7
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 21, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -7
These images make me want to get my fingers in gear and weave one now... Another project added to the list.
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Post by Keith on Apr 21, 2019 16:50:36 GMT -7
Twined/Braided from hemp twine (18 strands) embellished with white Pony beads. Center section is 2' and the tails are 7' (16" of flat-braid then splits into 2 braided tails of 9 strands each finished with decorative crown/stopper knot). Well done, I like it. Was this copied from an original or improvised? Keith.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 21, 2019 17:11:02 GMT -7
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Post by Keith on Apr 21, 2019 17:39:39 GMT -7
Yes, same here. I copied my garters from an original pair, but I left off the beading on the body of the garter. I like a little decoration, but not too much. I prefer plainer things. Keith.
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Post by spence on May 15, 2019 21:51:07 GMT -7
An interesting historical item. William Clinkenbeard moved to the Kentucky frontier in 1779. He was interviewed by Rev. John Dabney Shane years later, now part of the Draper Manuscript. In 1788 he was present at the capture of Blue Jacket, principal war chief of the Shawnee. Part of his interview, describing the night Blue Jacket escaped from the cabin of one Sconce:
"Jimmy Baythe tied him, I saw him, did it pretty roughly, too. He did it with a “Sappers String”-- what we used to have to tie up our packs with, blankets, or budgets, or anything of that kind. String about three fingers wide and then tapered off to behind. Made out of nettles I suppose, stuff like hemp, platted, wide to go across their shoulders and then a string from there out. Baythe put the string around his neck, then tied a knot, so that he couldn’t get it over his head, and then jerked his arms back as far as he could and tied them above his elbows. I saw him tie him. Had gotten the string I think from the Indians."
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Post by Keith on May 15, 2019 23:50:59 GMT -7
An interesting historical item. William Clinkenbeard moved to the Kentucky frontier in 1779. He was interviewed by Rev. John Dabney Shane years later, now part of the Draper Manuscript. In 1788 he was present at the capture of Blue Jacket, principal war chief of the Shawnee. Part of his interview, describing the night Blue Jacket escaped from the cabin of one Sconce: "Jimmy Baythe tied him, I saw him, did it pretty roughly, too. He did it with a “Sappers String”-- what we used to have to tie up our packs with, blankets, or budgets, or anything of that kind. String about three fingers wide and then tapered off to behind. Made out of nettles I suppose, stuff like hemp, platted, wide to go across their shoulders and then a string from there out. Baythe put the string around his neck, then tied a knot, so that he couldn’t get it over his head, and then jerked his arms back as far as he could and tied them above his elbows. I saw him tie him. Had gotten the string I think from the Indians." Spence Interesting Spence, thank you for sharing. The use of the term "sapper" is very interesting. I believe this term for military pioneers came into use in the 17th century & was derived from a french word meaning digging with a shovel. Regards, Keith.
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Post by Black Hand on May 16, 2019 13:46:33 GMT -7
When doing research on tumplines, there was a distinction I found in several places - They differentiated between tumplines and prisoner collars/cords. Anyone have any clarity on this?
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Post by hawkeyes on May 16, 2019 16:54:32 GMT -7
When doing research on tumplines, there was a distinction I found in several places - They differentiated between tumplines and prisoner collars/cords. Anyone have any clarity on this? I have no written documentation of this, however I've came across multiple paintings with tumplines as we see in our above images and a handful with prisoner ropes being used. My prisoner rope is approximately 3/8" wide and braided from hemp and is 7' in length. Dandy item to have when the wife gets out of hand.
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