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Post by artificer on Oct 20, 2022 6:43:50 GMT -7
It's my Pedersoli Jager. It doesn't spark very well. Of the sparks there are, most to me appear to hit forward of the pan. However this may just be me not seeing it clearly. Not sure if its a soft frizzen or a geometry issue or both. Will a file "cut" into the face of the frizzen? If so, it's soft. If not, it's something else. May be a too strong "feather" or frizzen spring. May be the tip over point is off, IOW allowing the frizzen to go forward too late. However before doing major work, have you tried different thicknesses of leather to wrap the flint and different flint sizes? Gus |
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Post by bushfire on Oct 20, 2022 12:43:52 GMT -7
Here is a video I just uploaded that shows me firing it. I it has prime in the pan that is not igniting. I've also included some stills, those sparks did not ignite the prime. It was 2F which I prefer to use in the field but I get the same result with 4F, I use Swiss. youtu.be/tjBfJGVglj8   Thats great your building a rifle for him, I'd love to see some photos when you have a chance. |
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Post by bushfire on Oct 20, 2022 12:51:21 GMT -7
Will a file "cut" into the face of the frizzen? If so, it's soft. If not, it's something else. May be a too strong "feather" or frizzen spring. May be the tip over point is off, IOW allowing the frizzen to go forward too late. However before doing major work, have you tried different thicknesses of leather to wrap the flint and different flint sizes? Gus I've tried different flint sizes but not different leather thicknesses. I'm actually having to knap back any long 7/8" flints from the get go as they don't let the frizzen fully rest on the pan. |
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Post by bushfire on Oct 20, 2022 12:57:05 GMT -7
Think this is a good still, you can actually see the path of the cock as it travels toward and passed the hammer.  |
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Post by artificer on Oct 20, 2022 17:33:29 GMT -7
Will a file "cut" into the face of the frizzen? If so, it's soft. If not, it's something else. May be a too strong "feather" or frizzen spring. May be the tip over point is off, IOW allowing the frizzen to go forward too late. However before doing major work, have you tried different thicknesses of leather to wrap the flint and different flint sizes? Gus I've tried different flint sizes but not different leather thicknesses. I'm actually having to knap back any long 7/8" flints from the get go as they don't let the frizzen fully rest on the pan. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bushfire, not sure what flints you are using, but I most highly recommend the following ones in the next link. You might even want to buy one or two 3/4" flints with different thicknesses of leather to try: www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/141/1/FLINT-ENG-6That lock may not give a super shower of sparks due to you having to shorten flints to fit the lock, but the sparks seem adequate for reliable ignition. I enlarged the middle, single pic of the lock and I'm having difficulty seeing where the touch hole is located. I can be mistaken, but it looks like it is too far forward? Gus |
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Post by bushfire on Oct 20, 2022 19:14:59 GMT -7
Begging your pardon sorry, I'm using 3/4" flints, must have ahad 7/8" on my mind when i wrote that.
Had a couple 5/8" so tried those as well. I get mine through Pedersoli Australia who at $8-9 per flint have been our only source during covid except for one other local seller ($12-18 per flint). TOTW stopped shipping here and with exchange rates and current freight it didn't stack up. I've used french and english, haven't personally noticed any difference. It currently has a french amber installed.
I'll get a good photo of the touch hole, I don't remember it being off at all but it may be. Whenever the gun ignites the pan it goes off very quick. Issue is just igniting the pan.
For my eyes the first still shows sparks hitting the prime and yet not igniting. Is it possible they're not hot enough?
I will try some different thickness of leather too and note whether anything changes.
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Post by artificer on Oct 20, 2022 20:10:34 GMT -7
Begging your pardon sorry, I'm using 3/4" flints, must have ahad 7/8" on my mind when i wrote that. Had a couple 5/8" so tried those as well. I get mine through Pedersoli Australia who at $8-9 per flint have been our only source during covid except for one other local seller ($12-18 per flint). TOTW stopped shipping here and with exchange rates and current freight it didn't stack up. I've used french and english, haven't personally noticed any difference. It currently has a french amber installed. I'll get a good photo of the touch hole, I don't remember it being off at all but it may be. Whenever the gun ignites the pan it goes off very quick. Issue is just igniting the pan. For my eyes the first still shows sparks hitting the prime and yet not igniting. Is it possible they're not hot enough? I will try some different thickness of leather too and note whether anything changes. OK, please try the 5/8" flints with different thicknesses of leather as well, then. What it looks like to me is too many sparks are being thrown ahead of your pan, so by trying different lengths/thicknesses of leather, it may bring them backwards a bit more. I got dramatic results on Pedersoli Brown Bess locks doing this and did not have to heat/bend the Cock downwards to do it or modify the tip over point. Any spark is hot enough to set the powder off quickly, as long as it hits the powder. Gus |
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Post by hawkeyes on Oct 21, 2022 7:09:26 GMT -7
Begging your pardon sorry, I'm using 3/4" flints, must have ahad 7/8" on my mind when i wrote that. Had a couple 5/8" so tried those as well. I get mine through Pedersoli Australia who at $8-9 per flint have been our only source during covid except for one other local seller ($12-18 per flint). TOTW stopped shipping here and with exchange rates and current freight it didn't stack up. I've used french and english, haven't personally noticed any difference. It currently has a french amber installed. I'll get a good photo of the touch hole, I don't remember it being off at all but it may be. Whenever the gun ignites the pan it goes off very quick. Issue is just igniting the pan. For my eyes the first still shows sparks hitting the prime and yet not igniting. Is it possible they're not hot enough? I will try some different thickness of leather too and note whether anything changes. OK, please try the 5/8" flints with different thicknesses of leather as well, then. What it looks like to me is too many sparks are being thrown ahead of your pan, so by trying different lengths/thicknesses of leather, it may bring them backwards a bit more. I got dramatic results on Pedersoli Brown Bess locks doing this and did not have to heat/bend the Cock downwards to do it or modify the tip over point. Any spark is hot enough to set the powder off quickly, as long as it hits the powder. Gus I completely agree with this advice, good stuff indeed. |
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Oct 21, 2022 19:33:44 GMT -7
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Post by brokennock on Oct 21, 2022 19:33:44 GMT -7
Think this is a good still, you can actually see the path of the cock as it travels toward and passed the hammer. View AttachmentVery cool photo. How many takes to get it? |
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