RyanAK
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 24, 2023 16:37:52 GMT -7
With the acquisition of my English trade gun, I’m interested in crafting a shot pouch appropriate to the arm and c.1750 Pennsylvania. I have a very fine pouch that I cherish that paranger created for me that will be an excellent pairing with a Fowler or Rifle, so would like something a bit more modest as a match with this modest arm. I have some things in mind, but I’m interested in what you gents think.
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 25, 2023 11:08:20 GMT -7
Maybe... a belt pouch? Or a simple linen shot pouch?
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Post by artificer on Mar 25, 2023 11:18:42 GMT -7
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Post by artificer on Mar 25, 2023 12:02:21 GMT -7
Oh, some of the original belt pouches are sewed to the belt and others use different kinds of loops so the belt pouch may slide on or off.
Personally, I would advise against sewing the pouch to the belt, because that way you can move it where you want and no matter how thick or thin of clothing you have.
Gus
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 25, 2023 12:39:07 GMT -7
Hiya, Gus. Thanks for asking about my ankle. It's mending, but still pains me at times. It's been a struggle. James Rogers does some fantastic work, eh? You're right that they're fancier than I'd want to pair with an English trade gun, but good ideas none the less. Some would be especially interesting paired with a German import rifle or fowler. I guess I'm looking for a period homemade bag or something along the lines of "hardware store" grade. Something I may have picked up at the same time and location as the trade gun. I'll have my fine fowler someday, but for now we're in the "gun and accoutrements as tools" phase of things. I'm going to make both a leather belt pouch and fabric shoulder bag, simply because I have the materials, interest, and I can work on them for a few minutes at a time at my desk. I've only had two days off in the last 45, so I've taken to bringing small projects along to fool around with when I can take a moment away from the chaos. Good therapy. This, though... my oh my.
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Post by artificer on Mar 25, 2023 13:24:18 GMT -7
Yeah, that early European pouch is a doozy. Glad your ankle is healing well, though I'm sure it's going to take more time. You have my deepest empathy as it took 3 1/2 years for the VA to figure out how to cure an ulcer on the bottom of my big toe on my right foot. Can't get a much plainer belt pouch than the one below. "A Sportsman by Edward Haytley 1752(Yale Center for British Art)" html.scribdassets.com/1dtrp5yatc69s7in/images/20-20221e42b8.jpgYou could change the flap to another period one and change the pouch dimensions, if you desire. Gus
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Post by paranger on Mar 25, 2023 16:07:14 GMT -7
Never mind the bag - that doglock is phenomenal!!!😲
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 25, 2023 16:20:45 GMT -7
Isn’t it??!! It’s spectacular.
Gus, I think a simple leather belt pouch is definitely in the cards this week.
I wonder what shows up in trade lists…
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Post by brokennock on Mar 25, 2023 17:12:46 GMT -7
I like my Lyman pouch but personally find it too small for what I need for a full day of squirrel hunting, and it needs to be buttoned after every use which I don't love. But, it is a documented correct pouch.... Still in the process of being wet molded. Sorry, I don't have good finished pics uploaded. (You know where to find them though)
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Post by brokennock on Mar 25, 2023 17:16:01 GMT -7
I mostly use the belt pouch, or split pouch like Black Hand's for things I don't want to be separated from, but don't need frequently. Small spare flint and steel, truck key, small container of char and a few slivers of fatwood, things like that.
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 25, 2023 17:22:26 GMT -7
I just got done reading your thread on that pouch, Nock. It’s so well done.
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Post by artificer on Mar 25, 2023 21:25:23 GMT -7
Isn’t it??!! It’s spectacular. Gus, I think a simple leather belt pouch is definitely in the cards this week. I wonder what shows up in trade lists… Now I'm curious. Which trade lists are you referring to? I imagine very simple belt pouches were often made by apprentices in local Saddlers' Shops. Not sure if there would have been a demand on the frontier for them? Gus
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 26, 2023 5:42:41 GMT -7
Merchant’s day books or trade lists for posts on the frontier. The same sort of list that notes “stroud” and “gun flints” etc. Something that might list imported English trade guns and “pouches for same”… or some-such. I’m curious to find what a low-end, commercial pouch would look like. Something that would have been purchased by a man that chose a modest smoothbore. There must be a description or advertisement or ledger notation for a maker or seller of these poches somewhere. I think we can make a fairly good guess as to what a homemade pouch may be… A replica of a commercial pouch in available materials. Or, maybe something as simple as a small linen “poke bag” with essentials, dropped in a coat pocket or tied to the belt? The acquisition of a modest arm has given me something to think on and research. Maybe something that hasn’t been much considered in the hobby. I’m likely over thinking it, but I’m having a good time. Because I’m a nerd.
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Post by artificer on Mar 26, 2023 8:33:03 GMT -7
Merchant’s day books or trade lists for posts on the frontier. The same sort of list that notes “stroud” and “gun flints” etc. Something that might list imported English trade guns and “pouches for same”… or some-such. I’m curious to find what a low-end, commercial pouch would look like. Something that would have been purchased by a man that chose a modest smoothbore. There must be a description or advertisement or ledger notation for a maker or seller of these poches somewhere. That would be interesting if any kind of pouch shows up on those lists. I don't have any such lists, but would be very interesting if anyone had a list or lists that mentions any kind of pouch. One thing and I'm not sure if this carried over to civilian life, but the 18th century British Military had a term for a small belt pouch that was used to carry buck shot to add some to their cartridges. It was called a "ball bag" even though it was a small belt pouch. Gus
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Post by artificer on Mar 26, 2023 11:54:35 GMT -7
Oh, about the only way to more inexpensively make a leather belt pouch, similar to the painting above, would be to use a leather button instead of a metal button - as it was painted.
I'm not sure from the painting what size it is and if that would be big enough to carry what you need for a day's hunt, but you could always lengthen and or enlarge it a little to make it work.
Gus
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