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Post by RyanAK on Mar 26, 2023 16:05:43 GMT -7
Good thoughts, Gus. You’re right that there isn’t much of a way to make something so simple more inexpensive. Ha. Now to see what I have for leather and source something appropriate if I’m lacking. Now here’s something interesting… www.nhhistory.org/object/230146/pouch-shot
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Post by spence on Mar 26, 2023 16:53:27 GMT -7
Second Virginia Orderly Book, Williamsburg, 1775 Oct, 11. The Captain of each company is to apply to the quartermaster for linnen Cloth to make a haversack for Each Soldier one yard of Osnabrigs is Supposed to be Sufficient for the purpose of making the sack. The Same Time Each Company is to Draw a suffcient Quantity of Dutch or Quisa Drilling To provide Each Solider with a Shott Pouch with a partition of Division in the Middle to keep Buck Shot and Bullets Sepperate.
Each Soldier is to make his own sack and Shot Pouch as near one General Size & patern as Possible. Thread Suffcient for the purpose must be Drawn at the same Time as much as will make each Soldier a Hunting Shirt. ************ Spence
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 26, 2023 17:28:26 GMT -7
Oh Spence! Wonderful stuff again! Dutch Drilling, eh? Wish we knew what the “one General Size & patern” was.
Anyone figure out the twine strap on the one above?
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Post by artificer on Mar 26, 2023 17:55:58 GMT -7
Ryan,
That IS an interesting shott pouch. Not sure if the 11 (qty), diameter 0.55 balls found in it came from civilian use after the AWI, as they seem too small even for a .69 cal French Musket?
Gus
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Post by artificer on Mar 26, 2023 18:00:27 GMT -7
WOW, Spence,
You did it again! I was trying to envision paper cartridges carried in that shott pouch, but that just didn't make sense as in rain or snow, the water would quickly soak through the material and ruin the cartridges. Now, if they were only carrying "shot" of different sizes, then being water resistant didn't matter.
Gus
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Post by artificer on Mar 26, 2023 18:04:57 GMT -7
Oh Spence! Wonderful stuff again! Dutch Drilling, eh? Wish we knew what the “one General Size & patern” was. Anyone figure out the twine strap on the one above? I was thinking the loop connected to the side loops was intended to keep the pouch spread out so it won't fold in on itself, but can't envision how it did that. Not sure if the large loop is large enough to go around his waist? Gus
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 27, 2023 17:21:04 GMT -7
Spence… do shot pouches appear in any merchant import advertisements? “Neat fusees and shot pouches” or sumsuch?
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Post by spence on Mar 27, 2023 19:57:06 GMT -7
Yes, they do. Usually it's just the bare mention, no description.
THE SOUTH-CAROLINA GAZETTE September 10, 1750 .... flour of mustard, neat fowling pieces, hangers, cartouch boxes, powder flasks, shot pouches, fishing tackle, to say, rods, hooks, and lines, 3 thread twine, neat mens walking canes,
The South-Carolina GAZETTE January 22, 1752 ….spring pans, iron pots, guns, hangers and belts, car touch boxes powder horns and shot pouches, fishing rods, lines, and hooks, pocket books, telescopes, and pocket prospect glasses, spectacles,
The South-Carolina GAZETTE January 24, 1761 Just Imported,…. CARBINES with bayonets, belts, buckles, and moulds; fowling pieces, brass barreled pistols, cartouch-boxes, shot-pouches, and powder flasks; lacquered and silvered hangers and cutteaus;… shaving boxes with soap and brushes; powder boxes;
The Pennsylvania Gazette July 8, 1762 Just imported in the last vessels from Europe, and sold cheap, by STEPHEN CARMISK,… copper and iron tinned saucepans… Bristol beer in bottles, long and short pipes, birding gun and neat fowling pieces,… shot pouches,
The Pennsylvania Gazette November 10, 1763 They have likewise imported, in the above Vessel, the most elegant Assortment of Goods that were every seen in this Country, consisting of the following Articles, viz..... neat Cribbage Boards and Pegs; Quail and Dog Calls, for Fowling; Partridge and Quail Nets, for Ditto; neat Powder Flasks and Shot Pouches; Chess Men; Cock Spurs, or Gaffs, for the Royal Pastime of Cock Fighting;
The Pennsylvania Gazette October 24, 1771 JUST IMPORTED, and to be sold by NICHOLAS BROOKS, Next door to the London Coffee House, in market street, ELEGANT guitars, London made fiddles, hautboy reeds, and bassoon reeds, German flutes, tabors and pipes, the best Roman fiddle strings and silver basses, setts of guitar strings, beautiful walking sticks of all kinds, new fashioned shot pouches, leather powder flasks, shoulder bags for dead game, ladies earrings,
The Pennsylvania Gazette January 5, 1774 NICHOLAS BROOKS, The second door above the Coffee house, in Market street, has just imported, from London and elsewhere,….steel cock gaffs; a good assortment of gilt and other canes; sword rattans, with many other sorts; a good assortment of powder flasks, with and without strings, of the newest fashion; shot belts and pouches; swivels for swords;
Spence
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 28, 2023 6:02:45 GMT -7
Well! That seems pretty definitive that shot pouches were being imported. And powder horns! And powder flasks! Now, some of the ads sound like these were fine items, but many sound like they may be destined for trade houses and stores. Darn interesting. Thank you, friend.
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 28, 2023 6:06:41 GMT -7
Quick sketch for a homemade pouch in linen that I’ll whip together at my desk today.
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 28, 2023 10:06:37 GMT -7
Jane, dear… would you mind sewing up a pouch for Papa to carry some necessaries when going afield? Something simple, two hands square with a flap. There’s an extra white button with Mamma’s sewing things and you can use the heavy tow that we had Mr. Gill weave for us.
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Post by artificer on Mar 31, 2023 8:35:27 GMT -7
The Pennsylvania Gazette January 5, 1774 NICHOLAS BROOKS, The second door above the Coffee house, in Market street, has just imported, from London and elsewhere,….steel cock gaffs; a good assortment of gilt and other canes; sword rattans, with many other sorts; a good assortment of powder flasks, with and without strings, of the newest fashion; shot belts and pouches; swivels for swords; Spence Was "shot belt" their terminology for what we call a shot snake something like the one below? 4.bp.blogspot.com/-acmhaW2ChRQ/VNPmruGQ_BI/AAAAAAAAGV4/0o4DUUjk6ks/s1600/P1090820.JPGIf not, I'm wondering if the "belts" means an over the shoulder strap or that the shot pouch was secured to and/or came with a waist belt? Gus
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 31, 2023 9:14:05 GMT -7
Good questions, Gus. I'm also curious about the powder flasks and cartouche boxes.
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Post by artificer on Mar 31, 2023 9:36:47 GMT -7
Good questions, Gus. I'm also curious about the powder flasks and cartouche boxes. I'm fairly certain the "cartouch boxes" are the military style and intended for the militia. Also they are often listed along with "hangers" and that meant an Infantry Sword, whether for an officer or perhaps still with enlisted men in the early 1750's. This even though hangers were beginning to be dropped from use for enlisted men at this time. I would love to know if the bodies of the flasks were made from horn, as that might be evidence of something for a person with some money. Gus
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Post by RyanAK on Mar 31, 2023 15:30:54 GMT -7
Well… I got making a linen pouch under my belt…
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