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Post by bushfire on Aug 12, 2023 6:15:30 GMT -7
During the mid 18th century would French shooting bags have varied at at all what the Americans/British used? Are there any examples exisiting or artwork demonstrating them?
I’d like to get another bag done at some point for my fusil and French pieces. Also so I’m not changing out balls, jags etc. every time I change guns.
As always, thank you for the help gentleman.
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Post by RyanAK on Aug 12, 2023 9:01:38 GMT -7
I’ll dig up what I have found, mostly through Fort Ticonderoga impression guidelines. From what I can remember… haversacks are enormous and ball bags were basically a small wallet on the belt, with ball on one side and miscellaneous things on the other.
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Post by artificer on Aug 28, 2023 10:17:10 GMT -7
During the mid 18th century would French shooting bags have varied at at all what the Americans/British used? Are there any examples exisiting or artwork demonstrating them? I’d like to get another bag done at some point for my fusil and French pieces. Also so I’m not changing out balls, jags etc. every time I change guns. As always, thank you for the help gentleman. This is the only one I know of, but it is a doozy. It's listed as a "Lady's" Hunting Pouch, though I bet it was used by a man or at least could have been. collections.mfa.org/objects/46667Gus |
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Post by RyanAK on Aug 28, 2023 11:59:02 GMT -7
I’m glad Gus brought this back to the top. I had forgotten my promise to follow up… Below are impression guidelines for French milice active around Fort Ticonderoga during the French & Indian War. I’d HIGHY recommend considering a split pouch (made like a wallet) of leather or heavy linen. Maybe wool. It’s as simple as can be and documentable to the period. I believe our pal Black Hand uses one. This is high on my list to make. Read through these. Lots of good information regarding French material culture for the time period in the upper provinces and New France. If your interest lies in the west or south, I’ll need to dig a little deeper. The Great Lakes, Trans-Mississippi and Louisiana are weak points in my research. www.fortticonderoga.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Milice.pdfPages 2,4,5, and 6 all have images of split pouches. www.fortticonderoga.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1759-Battle-on-Snowshoes-Canadian-Milice-Guidelines.pdfwww.fortticonderoga.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1759-Siege-of-Carillon-French-Canadian-Milice-Guidelines.pdfAnother consideration would be a period ‘Indian’-styled pouch from a nation in your area of interest. The French in New France readily adapted native material culture into their lives. Tread carefully though… before buying or making anything ’native’, have your homework complete. If the goal is to be PC for the mid-18th century, you need to know the specifics of native culture in your chosen time and place… or you’ll end up with a big honking bag with terrible quill and head work being offered as “authentic”. |
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Post by brokennock on Aug 28, 2023 15:11:35 GMT -7
A split pouch is great for carrying certain items. Nothing you might need on a hurry though. I have a small "native" influenced one I got from Hawkeyes made of braintan, or a braintan-like leather with some decorative cones and tufts on the ends. I carry it folded over my sash or belt. It works great for a small fire kit, maybe a pocket watch and/or compass depending on how hc/pc you are balancing things with modern needs, items like that, maybe i.d., a folding knife, pencil, hunting tags.
I would not personally use it as a shot pouch as access is a little restricted, I find, others may have different experiences.
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Post by RyanAK on Aug 28, 2023 15:59:33 GMT -7
It’s my experience that there are few things I truly need in a hurry during a flintlock hunt. I’ve needed to re-prime a time or two…
I’ve shot at four deer with my rifle in all the years of late season flintlock here in PA. I killed a doe. I missed a large buck at distance and it was in the next valley before the smoke cleared. And I had two misfires on the same day in the driving rain. I can’t imagine a situation where and how I hunt in the Pennsylvania mountains that would require me to get to anything in a shot pouch quickly. Other’s experiences may be different.
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Post by brokennock on Aug 29, 2023 1:18:54 GMT -7
I missed a doe,,,, while I was kneeling in a patch of ankle high grass, shooting slightly uphill with a gun that shot a little high and forgot to hold low, I was out in the wide open. She was with a small buck and another doe. I spotted them at about 80 yards coming out of the woodline I was headed for on a powerline cut, coming toward me. The other two were still at about 60 yards when the lead doe finally closed to less than 50. At the shot, the missed doe ran to my left and away to about 65 or 70 yards, the other two just kind of milled around right were they were. I had to reload in the open, quickly but without dramatic movements. (This is not possible, reloading a muzzleloader with a 44" to 46" barrel is going to take some dramatic movements.)
I don't think I could have reloaded from my split pouch from that position. At least not my smoothbore with wads. If all I needed was powder, patch, and ball,,,, maybe.
But, like I said, folks do things differently and will have different experiences and thus different needs.
The deer did stick around for the reload but never closed the gap to within my 50 yard limit. They just kind of slowly wandered off eventually.
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Post by artificer on Sept 1, 2023 11:43:19 GMT -7
During the mid 18th century would French shooting bags have varied at at all what the Americans/British used? Are there any examples exisiting or artwork demonstrating them? I’d like to get another bag done at some point for my fusil and French pieces. Also so I’m not changing out balls, jags etc. every time I change guns. As always, thank you for the help gentleman. This is the only one I know of, but it is a doozy. It's listed as a "Lady's" Hunting Pouch, though I bet it was used by a man or at least could have been. collections.mfa.org/objects/46667Gus Not sure why the pic link is not working now, but you can find more pics of it here and scrolling down to it : www.scribd.com/document/248435837/Sports-Sportsmen-Hunting-Part-II#Gus |
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Post by paranger on Sept 1, 2023 12:13:29 GMT -7
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