Keith
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Post by Keith on May 22, 2019 1:07:46 GMT -7
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Post by Sicilianhunter on May 22, 2019 6:35:06 GMT -7
LeLoup, Thank you VERY much for that video !!! I appreciate you making that at my request, I think others will get a lot out of it as I did!!! GRAZIE SIGNORE!!! The Sicilian |
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Keith
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Post by Keith on May 22, 2019 15:05:57 GMT -7
LeLoup, Thank you VERY much for that video !!! I appreciate you making that at my request, I think others will get a lot out of it as I did!!! GRAZIE SIGNORE!!! The Sicilian My pleasure mate, really. Keith. |
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Post by hawkeyes on May 22, 2019 17:07:44 GMT -7
Love making hooks! Always have my fishing kit at hand as rivers are numerous around me. Coupled with hemp line and sinew leaders you've got a dandy set. I'll also utilize a goldenrod gall as a float which works very well.
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Post by Sicilianhunter on May 23, 2019 6:41:34 GMT -7
HawkEyes, I was leaning towards the horse hair leaders as I watched a video by Steve Davis from Stillwater Woodcraft and the seem pretty easy to make provided also you use the proper hair (white gelding hair has been scientifically proven to be the strongest). www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTHLtoJqjgU How do you make your sinew leaders? Do you use a similar method? |
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Post by spence on May 23, 2019 17:27:24 GMT -7
Nice job, Keith, thanks.
Have you ever used gorge hooks? I played with them a little many years ago just to see how they worked, and it can be impressive. Totally simple, as easily available as the nearest stick.
Spence
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Post by Black Hand on May 23, 2019 17:34:26 GMT -7
I've read that gorges can also be used to catch birds.
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Post by hawkeyes on May 24, 2019 4:56:16 GMT -7
HawkEyes, I was leaning towards the horse hair leaders as I watched a video by Steve Davis from Stillwater Woodcraft and the seem pretty easy to make provided also you use the proper hair (white gelding hair has been scientifically proven to be the strongest). www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTHLtoJqjgU How do you make your sinew leaders? Do you use a similar method? I process the sinew from the back due to the longer strands. Once I'm ready to use a piece I'll typically tie a overhand knot on the end of the sinew to keep it from slipping off the hemp mainline and then affix the two with a simple blood knot. My simplistic drill rod hooks.  I heat my stock in the forge versus forming them cold. |
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Post by spence on May 24, 2019 12:20:57 GMT -7
Just FYI, fish hooks were commonly available in the 18th century, usually listed in the ads as "common or best Kirby", and they came either loose or already snelled to various kinds of lines. For a large part of the century the majority of hooks had the spayed shank, no eye, but eyed hooks showed up fairly early in the century. They were slow to catch on, some believe because spayed hooks with lines already snelled on were so easily available.
The Museum of the Fur Trade quarterly, vol 34, No. 4, Winter 1998 pp 4-5. "We illustrate on page 5 what may well be the oldest fishhook positively known to be associated with the fur trade. It was found at the North end of Lake Canandaigua in an early 18th century Iroquois trash pit. It is significant in that it has a distinct and well formed EYE, unlike the English fish hooks of a slightly later period. This brings to mind questions as to whether French and Dutch hooks might have been made with an eyed shank, or whether some early English hooks were so constructed."
Even the famous special bend in the hook invented by Kirby in the 17th century were advertised in the colonies mid-century.
The Pennsylvania Gazette
January 22, 1745
… Gartering, Kirby bent Fish hooks , Caulkin,...
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Keith
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Post by Keith on May 24, 2019 17:38:25 GMT -7
HawkEyes, I was leaning towards the horse hair leaders as I watched a video by Steve Davis from Stillwater Woodcraft and the seem pretty easy to make provided also you use the proper hair (white gelding hair has been scientifically proven to be the strongest). www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTHLtoJqjgU How do you make your sinew leaders? Do you use a similar method? You do not have to cordage sinew, depending from where on the animal you take the sinew, some can be used as is, whilst sheets of sinew can be split. Keith. |
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Post by Keith on May 24, 2019 17:45:55 GMT -7
I've read that gorges can also be used to catch birds. Fish hooks are easier. Poachers in England used to catch pheasants with fish hooks. Keith. |
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Keith
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Post by Keith on May 24, 2019 17:49:22 GMT -7
Nice job, Keith, thanks. Have you ever used gorge hooks? I played with them a little many years ago just to see how they worked, and it can be impressive. Totally simple, as easily available as the nearest stick. Spence Yes mate, I used to carry a gorge hook & line before I started making my own metal fish hooks. Keith. |
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Post by Sicilianhunter on May 26, 2019 6:15:07 GMT -7
HawkEyes, I was leaning towards the horse hair leaders as I watched a video by Steve Davis from Stillwater Woodcraft and the seem pretty easy to make provided also you use the proper hair (white gelding hair has been scientifically proven to be the strongest). www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTHLtoJqjgU How do you make your sinew leaders? Do you use a similar method? I process the sinew from the back due to the longer strands. Once I'm ready to use a piece I'll typically tie a overhand knot on the end of the sinew to keep it from slipping off the hemp mainline and then affix the two with a simple blood knot. My simplistic drill rod hooks. I heat my stock in the forge versus forming them cold. Nice hooks! So the sinew leader is a single strand, not braided like the horse hair then. |
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Keith
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Post by Keith on May 30, 2019 17:03:22 GMT -7
Thought you might be interested in seeing this 17th century brass hook. I would say this was cold forged, because as you probably know, brass does not react in the same way as iron or steel when heated & cooled. Brass becomes brittle & will break. I would say definitely hand made by some individual.  museum.wa.gov.au/maritime-archaeology-db/artefacts/gt851-copperbrass; Keith. |
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