Post by brokennock on Mar 13, 2020 16:24:38 GMT -7
Given that 18th century ball molds don't appear to have had a sprue plate/cutter, what would have been used to cut the sprue when making some ammo? I don't imagine one would use the knife one is relying on to be keen and sharp. A different tool in the backcountry while on a hunt or a scout as opposed to what to use at home? Do we have any period descriptions in journals and such of someone molding balls and cutting off the sprue? Any photos of extant casting tools?
THE SOUTH-CAROLINA GAZETTE July 28, 1766 CHARLES-TOWN ...large hunting horns, smallest size round trimmed swan shot, and FF gun-powder, Kirby's hooks, hanks of silk lines and fishing reels compleat,
Buffaloes in the Corn, James Wade, late 18th: He ran all his bullets in a pair of moulds that had a knife in them to cut them off…. at the neck as they were run.
Michigan Pioneer and Historical Society, Vol. 33 Printed 1904 Cadillac Inventory August 1711. 1 cast iron mould weighing fourteen livres, making seventeen balls on one side and, on the other, moulded flat. 1 pair of poor scissors to cut the balls. 1 small copper mould making nine balls lessening in size.
Joseph Doddridge, Notes on the Settlements and Indian Wars of the Western Parts of Virginia and Pennsylvania 1763-1783 Quoting Capt Teter preparing against an attack on his father's fort: "….when you run your bullets, cut off the necks very close, and scrape them, so as to make them a little less, and get patches one hundred finer than those you commonly use, and have them well oiled, for if a rifle happens to be choked in the time of battle, there is one gun and one man lost for the rest of the battle. You will have no time to unbritch a gun and get a plug to drive out a bullet.”
Post by brokennock on Mar 13, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -7
Interesting, thank you Spence." I'd really like to see that, "pair of molds with a knife in it."
I know Artificer has a lot of info on old tools. I wondering when small pairs of snips, like wire or end cutters come around?
I might try an old pair of scissors and see how they do, but, I'm suspicious that the bypass cutting style, as as apposed to the 2 edges meeting, will lead to an uneven cut.
I can not date this ball mould, but it was found in Tasmania in the area of the original penal colony along with the early English fire steel you see to the right. This ball mould is not for the English Brown Bess, it is closer to .50 caliber.
Two 18th century English musket ball moulds found in the UK
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I have an original iron mold which is marked 100, for 100 balls to the pound. Best info about age I can find says early to mid 19th century. I cast some balls with it and clipped the sprue with the built in cutters. They were pretty crude, but the mold is ancient.
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brokennock said: "I might try an old pair of scissors and see how they do, but, I'm suspicious that the bypass cutting style, as as apposed to the 2 edges meeting, will lead to an uneven cut."
I cast balls for my .54 with a brass bag mold which has shearing cutter just like the old original. The sprues are not symmetrical, but accuracy is excellent. The randomly shaped and sized sprues don't seem to be a problem.
I've been impressed that balls with significant damage will shoot well. I shot several which had been pulled, with a big screw hole in them, they shot into the same group.
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Post by Black Hand on Mar 14, 2020 14:12:21 GMT -7
The remaining sprues can be minimized by placing the balls in a lidded container (I use a coffee can) and shaking them vigorously. I've read of others putting this can (with the lid taped in place) in the trunk of their car to achieve the same. This tends to smooth the sprue so all that remains is the faint outline...
Ultimately, the lead is so soft that any sprue that remains can be easily trimmed with a sharp knife.
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Interesting, thank you Spence." I'd really like to see that, "pair of molds with a knife in it."
I know Artificer has a lot of info on old tools. I wondering when small pairs of snips, like wire or end cutters come around?
I might try an old pair of scissors and see how they do, but, I'm suspicious that the bypass cutting style, as as apposed to the 2 edges meeting, will lead to an uneven cut.
Hi Nock,
What I don't know is how common molds were that included sprue cutters in the 18th century. There is no doubt they were made and some folks have shown great pics of them. When a gunsmith made a mold for a customers gun, would it normally have had a sprue cutter? I don't know. Probably depends on the customer and the gunsmith, as a mold with a sprue cutter would have cost more and there are also many molds that don't have sprue cutters.
You might also be surprised just how HUGE some shears were made in the day for different trades. I saw one gigantic set and it turned out it was for Horners to cut sheets of horn.
When I was doing research on the tools an 18th century Artificer or Military Armorer might have, shears do show up in one or two lists that Bailey has documented. These shears may have been used to cut "pinning wire" for barrel pins and/or they may have been used to cut sheet lead or sprues.