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Post by spence on Mar 14, 2020 10:25:57 GMT -7
I’ve often wondered about the relationship of the caliber of early rifles and the molds made for them. Assuming a patch was to be used, space for it would have to be allowed for….would that mean the ball was true size and the barrel larger, or the barrel exact size and the ball smaller? I have a small original bag mold, which is marked 100 for 100 balls to the pound, for instance, and was curious as to what that really meant. The actual caliber of balls 100 to the pound is .36, the weight 70 grains. Would the mold throw balls exactly 100 to the pound, .36 caliber, or would they be smaller, intended to be shot in a barrel which was exactly .36 caliber? I decided to cast some balls and find out. The old mold shows some age, but is basically in good shape, so the balls were not bad. Average caliber was .333”, average weight 57.8 grains. So, in this one case it seems the allowance was made in the mold, that it was intended to throw balls less than nominal caliber, possibly to allow for the patch. A ball of .33 caliber equates to 120 balls to the pound, so the label on the mold is apparently telling us balls thrown by it are intended for a .36 caliber rifle, not the actual size the mold drops. One possibility, of course. Who can know what the old boys were thinking? Spence
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Post by coot on Mar 14, 2020 12:13:25 GMT -7
Quite possibly, you are onto something with the mold marked for the caliber of the gun and not the diameter of the balls it cast. In todays world, we would go and buy bullets for say a 38 special & not care about the case length or actual bullet diameter - all I want is some bullets to fit my gun, so you buy some labeled to use in that gun. The first standardized nuts & bolts in the English (Imperial) world that I am aware of is the Whitworth system dating to the 1800s, where the wrenches are marked for the size bolt they are made to match & not as today's wrenches that are marked for the size opening of the socket or open end - ie - a 1/2" Whitworth tool is actually close to say 11/16" opening where a modern sae 1/2" tool is actually 1/2". I doubt that Whitworth came up with his system out of the blue (but perhaps he did) but likely standardized based on earlier ways of sizing tools, or in this case, molds. Inquiring minds want to know more.
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Post by artificer on Mar 17, 2020 14:09:35 GMT -7
Spence,
That is an excellent question. Since your mold is marked with "100", this seems to strongly suggest it was an at least somewhat mass produced mold and not one made by an individual gunsmith?
OK, here's what may be a dumb question. For those who couldn't read, did they recognize numbers, as on this mold? Or was the number marked by the manufacturers for sales in shops where the shop keeper could read?
Also, I can't tell you how many times I've seen folks want to actually put a modern cartridge in a gun to see that the cartridge/s actually "fit" the gun. I have often wondered if this came from the muzzle loading times? Assuming people have not changed all that much, I have often wondered if shop keepers cast one ball and left it in the mold to actually show such customers the ball would fit their gun? I imagine in the 18th century when there were no precision calipers or measuring instruments, such things would have been even more important?
Of course they did things with non measuring calipers we have just about lost the ability to do, so they could have come somewhat close by measuring the customer's ball with them, locking the calipers and then showing a ball from a replacement mold would pass through the locked "arms" of the caliper.
Gus
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