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Post by Jason Reichenbach on Apr 26, 2020 17:39:30 GMT -7
Gentlemen,
I remember the first time I slept outdoors with a Brown Bess musket in November during a French & Indian War reenactment…I thought I was so smart by laying her on some canvas, lock up, next to my bedroll to protect her from ground moisture…yes, I woke up seeing that I had to clean her entire port side from horrid overnight oxidation.
I’ve seen Unit men pitch their long guns up together in a tipi formation & cover them in canvas overnight. I’ve also seen guys hang their long arms horizontally inside larger tents. In USA we have a variety of modern means to manage this issue, but that’s also not what I’m looking for.
I want to know what solo frontiersmen may have done to protect their valuable long weapons when afield overnight. I don’t believe they oiled them up in grease or whatever & laid them on the ground. I also doubt they leaned their rifle/musket against a tree unless they slept very close to it. Simon Kenton was once ran out of his winter camp as a young man in Kentucky & nearly died of exposure when a few Indians raided his fur trapping camp while he was drying his clothing by a fire because his rifle was too far from hand. His two associates were killed.
I imagine in the Appalachian territory of Kentucky where I live that a man would want to not only protect his long rifle but also have it handy to employ in the event his camp was raided by a threat of either the 4 or 2-legged variety.
Help a brother out. :-)
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Post by Keith on Apr 26, 2020 20:38:51 GMT -7
You can use linseed oil or beeswax. Brush it on in the barrel channel & in the lock mortice. The outside you can use a vegetable oil or neetsfoot or tallow. To date I have not read anything specific re waterproofing the lock mortice, but I would imagine that tallow may have been used as it was readily available.
Sorry about the sound, for some reason my older videos seem to have lost volume. I have no idea how this could happen other than some change made on youtube. None of my later videos have this problem. Keith.
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Post by spence on Apr 26, 2020 22:23:14 GMT -7
I imagine in the Appalachian territory of Kentucky where I live that a man would want to not only protect his long rifle but also have it handy to employ in the event his camp was raided by a threat of either the 4 or 2-legged variety. I don't know what the old boys did, and I've found little primary documentation that touched on that subject, but I've had the same question. If they left their gun primed, would it be dependable hours later? How did they manage to have the gun quickly available? When I first began 're-enacting' and trekking overnight, I wondered what would happen if a man's home or camp were raided at dawn. I ran a little experiment to see just how dependable a flintlock rifle is under some tough conditions. At that time I had made an oilcloth ground cloth. When I turned in my routine was that I would spread it on the ground, lay my folded blanket on half of it, crawl in the blanked and fold the other half of the oilcloth over everything. I laid my fully loaded flintlock along beside me, inside the oilcloth but outside the blanket, muzzle to the foot, lock either up or down, primed and on half cock. It spent the night in my bedroll with me, high humidity for sure. When I awoke in the morning, first thing I did was throw back the covers, sit up, pick up the gun, cock and fire it. I did that at least a half-dozen times in various weather conditions, hot and chilly, dry and raining, never had the gun fail to fire or even seem to have slowed ignition. I made no effort to make sure the prime was in any particular place in the pan, it obviously didn't matter. I never had any issues with rust or other problems with the exterior of the gun. So, I gained considerable confidence in my flintlock and a serious appreciation of an ancient technology. I would guess that the old boys did many different things to make certain a gun was quickly ready in the eventuality of trouble, don't know if they went so far as to sleep with it, but the gun could handle it. Here's the only documentation I've collected which might be helpful. It is told by a Hidatsa Indian about experiences in mid-19th century while he and five companions were on a journey in the Yellowstone country. It's from _Hidatsa Eagle Trapping_ by Gilbert Livingston Wilson. They were using caplocks. "The First Camp. In a small open place in the timber near by, we found a growth of heavy grass.We camped here for the night, sleeping on the heavy grass but not attempting to make beds. We slept in a row, with our heads all lying in the same direction. Each slept with his gun under his head, with a bit of his blanket drawn over the gun to serve for a pillow. I had two blankets; I folded one of these lengthwise and spread it on the grass with one end drawn up over the gun, thus serving me for a pillow. I lay down in the other blanket, folding it once over me. I drew this second blanket up around my neck, but not over my head, for I wanted my ears to be uncovered in case an enemy came in the dark. My gun lay with the barrel pointed to the left as I lay on my back. If I were aroused in the night, I could seize the barrel of the gun as I sprang up. I slept with my clothes on. "We lay in a row, but about a yard apart. We were careful not to lie too close together, for if we were awakened in the night by enemies, someone might seize his friend's gun and cause confusion." Spence
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 27, 2020 3:35:26 GMT -7
Good subject for discussion. I personally have nothing more to add, very much in agreement with Spence's findings.
Laid with my M4 through multiple training sessions in the field during the early stages of my carrier. Not so much for corrosion issues yet fighting purposes. Instructors would sneak past watches and "try" to make off with individuals weapons, then a mock attack would ensue. BIG no, no loosing your weapon historically and in modern times.
I've honestly never had any corrosion issues to date, even on firelocks left bright. Personally feel if your weapon is very well maintained and you can adapt to any environment your firelock can as well. When I'm done shooting for the evening I take great care to focus time towards my cleaning activities and routine maintenance round the fire. Never let the sun set on a dirty firelock... Just a little quote I very much pay mind to.
Again, good topic for discussion.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 27, 2020 5:22:50 GMT -7
Mine goes in the blanket with me - loaded, primed and ready to go. In fair weather, it might be leaned against a tree at the head of my bed, as I set up this way purposely. My horn and bag are usually in the blankets as well with my knife next to my pack which is used as a pillow.
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Post by Jason Reichenbach on Apr 27, 2020 15:46:36 GMT -7
hawkeyes,
Yes, it has turned out to be another good discussion. I’m amazed at the quality of information users share on this forum. They reflect the vast wealth of knowledge the membership has acquired over decades.
Although I’ve not slept with my rifle I have leaned her vertically under my shelter before but I always worry about horizontal rain but it’s never been a problem. I’ve made a nice calf’s knee out of oilskin just in case. I will attempt the bedfellow method for sure. I must admit, however, that I have slept with a pistol many, many times :-)
What overnight methods have you used to store your flintlock overnight, hawkeyes?
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Post by Jason Reichenbach on Apr 27, 2020 16:18:10 GMT -7
I use SC Johnson Fine Wood Paste Wax in liberal quantities in my barrel channel & behind my lock.
I wonder how that compares to beeswax? I have both in the cabinet. I was exposed to SC Johnson wax in past re-enactments. Another shooter used it so I picked it up.
I’m soaking hickory ramrods in a boiled linseed oil mix right now for my new rifle build. I never thought about running into my stock & lock channels. I suppose I’d have to reapply the linseed oil over time as I do the wax? I wonder which lasts longer.
Keith, when you have stayed out overnight how have you physically stored your rifle or musket over the years?
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 29, 2020 6:58:58 GMT -7
hawkeyes, Yes, it has turned out to be another good discussion. I’m amazed at the quality of information users share on this forum. They reflect the vast wealth of knowledge the membership has acquired over decades. Although I’ve not slept with my rifle I have leaned her vertically under my shelter before but I always worry about horizontal rain but it’s never been a problem. I’ve made a nice calf’s knee out of oilskin just in case. I will attempt the bedfellow method for sure. I must admit, however, that I have slept with a pistol many, many times :-) What overnight methods have you used to store your flintlock overnight, hawkeyes? Nothing special, same as Black Hand. If rain is approaching it lays next to me out of the elements. That's about as complex as it gets for me. Oh forget to say I do use a greased lock cover and the steel is always covered with a little stall.
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Post by spence on Apr 29, 2020 7:57:14 GMT -7
If you are going to be out and about in the rain with your flintlock, there's one trick I always use, and it works. I put a bead of my paste lube, beeswax+lard, in the groove between barrel and stock for about a foot from the lock toward the muzzle. Water can run like a river down that groove and under your cow's knee, even if snugged down, and straight into your pan. Don't ask how I know.
Spence
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Post by lenapej on Apr 29, 2020 16:15:34 GMT -7
On overnighters I slip my gun into a case made from a canvas dropcloth and treated with a mixture of beeswax, linseed oil, and turpentine, then lay on two sticks, to keep off the ground, next to my bed, never had a problem.
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