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Post by brokennock on Jun 6, 2020 4:08:11 GMT -7
Weird question here. Are there any good alternative materials to make moccasins out of? Any leather substitutes that work well?
My niece is a vegetarian, not vegan (yet, hopefully never) and we are going to make a pair of moccasins for her tomorrow out of the same split bison leather I used for the ones I posted elsewhere. While she doesn't seem to mind this now, she will be a college freshman in the fall and already shows many of the effects of public school indoctrination, I'm thinking if I want to keep her involved I need some alternatives in my back pocket. Just in case.
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Post by Black Hand on Jun 6, 2020 12:33:51 GMT -7
Can't think of any leather substitute that behaves and sews like leather - they all seem to behave and sew like plastic. They don't stretch, breathe or move like leather either.
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Post by Keith on Jun 6, 2020 16:09:01 GMT -7
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Post by brokennock on Jun 6, 2020 16:25:37 GMT -7
Well those are interesting. Looks like a lot of work.
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Post by ewoaf on Jun 7, 2020 7:31:55 GMT -7
Why not go barefoot?
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Post by brokennock on Jun 7, 2020 14:54:25 GMT -7
We do, a lot. Figure it is a good project to work on together and she can learn something beyond what the city indoctrination center tries to program her with. |
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Post by brokennock on Jun 7, 2020 14:57:07 GMT -7
It went well. Better than expected. Didn't balk at all, seemed interested in why the split bison leather had the texture and stiffness (or lack if stiffness) that it does.
She did a great job. By the end of stitching the 1st one she had the hang of it and a little confidence and had the second one done in no time.
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Post by armando on Jul 4, 2020 9:21:46 GMT -7
That's great!
I did a terrible job of tanning (chemical) two buckskins that I planned to use for moccassins. So stiff they are only good for par fleche stuff. I have one more skin I harvested last season that I hope to flesh out and use pig brains.
Where did you get the split Bison? Was that a Crazy Crow purchase?
Which pattern did you use? Lining?
I had hoped to make one set before summer is over.
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Post by brokennock on Jul 4, 2020 11:33:02 GMT -7
That's great! I did a terrible job of tanning (chemical) two buckskins that I planned to use for moccassins. So stiff they are only good for par fleche stuff. I have one more skin I harvested last season that I hope to flesh out and use pig brains. Where did you get the split Bison? Was that a Crazy Crow purchase? Which pattern did you use? Lining? I had hoped to make one set before summer is over. I used the bison splits on sale at Crazy Crow. I used the pattern method described in the videos I mentioned in the post about making my pair. Basically foot outline, two finger widths in front of the toes and one finger width behind the heel for length, a string around the highest part of the foot to get the width at that spot, etc. I did just see a Cherokee give a lesson on moccasin making in which he used a perfect circle the diameter his foot I'd long, squared off from the center of each side backward, for his pattern. I'll try to post a link later. No lining, although I might use a wool blanket insole on my pair as the bottom stretched so much lengthwise. |
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Post by armando on Jul 5, 2020 5:31:38 GMT -7
Thanks for the info. I really want to see that Cherokee video as I do some work with the museum folks.
I really like the video that Black Hand made in several installments (is it him?)
I finally broke down and got myself some Fugawee shoes but don't want to wear those in the woods too much.
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Post by Black Hand on Jul 5, 2020 5:43:22 GMT -7
I really like the video that Black Hand made in several installments (is it him?) I can tell you, it is not me. I know not what video you refer to either. I've not yet taken the plunge into making videos - not fond of being in front of a camera... |
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Post by brokennock on Jul 5, 2020 6:55:58 GMT -7
I think the style and method I would like best to try is the way Steve Davis does his. The pucker comes out real nice but with a cleaner seam leading from the pucker over the toes to the arch of the foot. But, the part where he connects the puckers is messed up and hard to see, I haven't quite figured it out.
I'm pretty sure I posted all the videos I referred to in making mine, except the Cherokee one, in the thread about the pair I made for myself. I will look into it and post the new video I found tonight when I can get to my laptop.
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Post by Keith on Jul 5, 2020 14:34:36 GMT -7
 Seneca corn husk moccasins.Keith. |
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Post by brokennock on Jul 5, 2020 16:01:39 GMT -7
Thanks for the info. I really want to see that Cherokee video as I do some work with the museum folks. I really like the video that Black Hand made in several installments (is it him?) I finally broke down and got myself some Fugawee shoes but don't want to wear those in the woods too much. Here is the Cherokee video, interesting the way he stitches (or laces) the toe and heel differently. He uses a leather thong for the toe area like this video, which is the method I used, but, I used heavy linen thread instead of a leather thong (or whang as some call it).
I also really like the methods presented here,
Here is the Steve Davis/Woodcrafter76, Stillwater Woodcraft video, |
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