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Post by brokennock on Aug 25, 2020 5:40:04 GMT -7
I have read or heard the term, "bag axe" before. So we have any actual references to or documentation of a small axe or tomahawk being carried in a sheath built into a shot pouch or similar?
I'm starting to rethink my plans to make a shoulder slung 'hawk sheath as I really don't want another strap around my neck and shoulders, and, in thinking quite a bit about how best to carry my this way and have it most handy and accessible, I realize I will want to carry it on my right side with the edge forward. This would be the same side my shot pouch and horn are on.
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 25, 2020 8:05:40 GMT -7
I started the shoulder sheath project and decided to forgo finishing the piece. I personally had reservations of modifying a period belt sheath configuration to a shoulder sheath. As of now, my axe will continue to reside were it has in the sash.
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Post by spence on Aug 25, 2020 12:38:33 GMT -7
I've said before that I just carry my hawk in my belt or sash and have never had a problem. With it stuck under the belt in the small of my back and held tightly against my body it can't rotate enough to injure my back. I carry it bare, too, have done so for 30+ years and never a nick. It seems an easy thing to remember that I can safely reach for it with my right hand, and that I need to be cautious if I decide to use my left. Maybe it's not as much of a threat as you boys imagine. Joe D. Huddleston's "Colonial Riflemen in the American Revolution," Shumway, York, PA 1960, p. 16. Silas Deane was a Conecticut congressman, and was referring to the rifle company of the Philadelphia Associators in 1775: " ...They take a piece of Ticklenburgh, or tow cloth that is stout, and put it in a tan-vat until it has the shade of a dry or fading leaf; then they make a kind of frock of it, reaching below the knee, open before, with a large cape. They wrap it around them tight, on a march, and tie it with their belt, in which hangs their tomahawk..." William Blane's memoirs of "AN EXCURSION THROUGH THE UNITED STATES AND CANANDA DURING THE YEARS 1822-23" "The early settlers of Kentucky all wore the "hunting-shirt," which is still the common dress of the hunters and backwoodsmen. It is a kind of short loose doublet, reaching about half-way down the thighs, with an upright collar, and a small but full cape. It is kept together in front with two or three buttons or hooks; and is as loose as an English farmer's smock-frock, but is fastened round the waist by a broad leather belt, in which hang the tomahawk and hunting knife. "
The Pennsylvania Gazette October 6, 1763 WILLIAMSBURGH, September 16. "…. on his discharging his piece, he was attacked by several Indians at once; the first that made up to him he knocked down with his gun, but the savages wresting it out of his hand, he knocked down another with a tomahawk, which he carried under his belt." BTW, I've never seen an original reference to "bag axe", but that doesn't mean much. Spence
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Post by brokennock on Aug 25, 2020 15:40:47 GMT -7
Thanks Spence. I haven't minded carrying mine in my sash or belt for the most part thus far. If I add a pistol to the arrangement, I won't have room for it all, knife, 'hawk, pistol, and split pouch folded over the sash.
You not having seen a reference to something is actually saying a lot, and does, "mean much."
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Post by paranger on Aug 25, 2020 16:37:22 GMT -7
Thanks Spence. I haven't minded carrying mine in my sash or belt for the most part thus far. If I add a pistol to the arrangement, I won't have room for it all, knife, 'hawk, pistol, and split pouch folded over the sash. You not having seen a reference to something is actually saying a lot, and does, "mean much." A great question of which I, too, am curious. And yet, regardless of whether or not the names "bag ax" and "game ax" are period, there is the question of explaining the purpose, function - and, yes, carriage - of the sort of small (usually 12 inch haft or less, cutting edge in the neighborhood of 2 inches) axes of which many period examples survive. Their diminutive size makes them scarcely credible as weapons and even less so for heavy camp chores. They sure are handy for taking the legs off a squirrel, though This is an original with solid provenance from the Skene foundry in Skenesboro (now Whitehall) NY, South of Lake Champlain, ca.1770.
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Post by spence on Aug 25, 2020 16:57:13 GMT -7
That's neat to see, paranger, thanks for posting.
Spence
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Post by hawkeyes on Aug 26, 2020 5:10:26 GMT -7
Paranger, beautiful piece. I'm curious to hear how you feel the axe carries on your shooting bag. Is it awkward? Does it become a nuisance in thicker forest catching on things? Any issues with accessing accouterments within your bag?
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Post by paranger on Aug 26, 2020 6:17:24 GMT -7
Paranger, beautiful piece. I'm curious to hear how you feel the axe carries on your shooting bag. Is it awkward? Does it become a nuisance in thicker forest catching on things? Any issues with accessing accouterments within your bag? Hawkeyes, to be honest I can't really speak to that. The pic contains all original items that I display only. I do have a repro bag/game axe which I have used for the purposes described above that is nearly identical except for having a hammer poll instead of a spike. May have to try it with my rifle bag this year. If so, I will let you know!
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