RyanAK
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 8, 2022 19:28:23 GMT -7
Were cockades worn by civilians at this time? A related item from a little earlier, all civilian: The Dividing Line betwixt Virginia and North Carolina, Wm. Byrd, 1729 "A small distance from our Camp we crost a creek which we call’d Cocquade Creek, because we there began to wear the Beards of the Wild turkey-Cocks in our hats by way of Cocquade." Spence Where do you find this stuff?! That’s excellent. Truly.
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RyanAK
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 8, 2022 19:30:01 GMT -7
Great find, Gus! That might be the one…
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Post by brokennock on Jul 8, 2022 19:51:58 GMT -7
I don't want to hijack your topic. Quickly, there has been question in the past about hos busines practices regarding the source of his clothing, and (maybe more importantly to some) the source of his patterns for same. There has been talk of some legal proceedings regarding this, but some of that I think was more about Sampsons trying to shit someone up who was posting about it. Read the topic, I believe by Tenngun, on "that other forum," regarding the way they treat customers when there is an issue. Lastly, and somewhat related.to the customer service issue in the above topic, his treatment of our man Hawkeyes was handled in an unacceptably unprofessional and rude manner. I'll let Hawkeyes explain if he wishes. There are other vendors.
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Post by Black Hand on Jul 9, 2022 3:25:37 GMT -7
I have 2 tricorns - bloody useless things for keeping the rain and sun off. I'd probably go with a cut-down brim cocked in the back as described by Hawkeyes (as a matter of pure utility). You can always have a polite-society hat for dress occasions (tricorn)... That’s actually a good plan. TWO hats! How simple! I think there is some truth to the saying of "beware the man with just one gun". I don't think the same can be said about hats...
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Post by hawkeyes on Jul 9, 2022 4:45:44 GMT -7
Ok. What’s with Samsons? PM if ye must, but that’s two guys I admire that brought it up. That's a discussion for a PM indeed.
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Post by paranger on Jul 9, 2022 5:51:46 GMT -7
Great find, Gus! That might be the one… I believe the Meigs hat was cocked on the left side. At least George Franks recreates it that way. I also found a different view of it in an image bank which seems to show it as oval blocked vice round. If that is the case, it would tend to corroborate it being cocked on the side. None of that precludes choosing a "fantail hat," of course. One more interesting detail on tbe Meigs hat: at least one site I found refers to it as green wool felt. If true, that would be uncommon indeed.
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RyanAK
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 9, 2022 7:14:43 GMT -7
Green?! My!
The proportions of the Meigs hat are spot on to my eye, whether cocked side or rear. Looks to be a 4” crown and 2.5”-3” brim. The fur Clearwater hat I have listed for sale is about the same measurements, which I like. I wonder how the cocked brim is held up…
From original hats I’ve found online, seems a cord was fairly common compared to a tape or ribbon band.
Back to cutting shirt pieces. But I may need to fool around with this some evening.
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Post by paranger on Jul 9, 2022 7:27:21 GMT -7
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Post by paranger on Jul 9, 2022 7:29:23 GMT -7
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 9, 2022 7:37:26 GMT -7
Gotta find or make some of that cord.
Such a fascinating artifact. These pieces with significant stories are so important.
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Post by paranger on Jul 9, 2022 8:22:01 GMT -7
Gotta find or make some of that cord. Such a fascinating artifact. These pieces with significant stories are so important. Some of your tarred hemp would seem to fit the bill...
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 9, 2022 9:43:54 GMT -7
I was just thinking that… This is tarred hemp ‘marline’. I have the tarred hemp rope that I used on my tumpline… this is the ‘companion’ smaller cordage. Comes in various sizes, but what I have on hand looks to be good for cocking a hat. And maybe a simple cord hatband. Gotta find how the cocking cords worked…
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Post by paranger on Jul 9, 2022 9:50:45 GMT -7
Looks perfect, to me.
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Post by artificer on Jul 9, 2022 12:06:41 GMT -7
I made my first round hat as part of a Continental Marine uniform around 1977. I must admit I thought it was to be cocked on the right side so as to be able to make a better cheek weld against the stock when shooting a musket and in fact, it did help me shoot many live rounds out of my musket that way. I later learned cocking it on the left side was to "make room" to get it around the head when doing shoulder firelocks (on the left shoulder). Well, I never had a problem with a round hat sticking out on the left side and interfering with shouldering the firelock. I can see with a cocked hat it could be a problem, depending on how it was cocked, but the brim of the round hat just doesn't stick out too far.
Finally, unless one leaves the brim much wider than as cut for a normal round hat, I never saw the need to cock the rear of the hat.
Just my opinion and what I learned from experience.
Gus
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Post by hawkeyes on Jul 9, 2022 15:28:51 GMT -7
Well worn and comfortable. Started life like your new acquisition. Much time as I spend aloft under a big oak, beech or hickory with eyeballs up having the back cocked is a must.
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