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Post by spence on Apr 23, 2020 6:37:46 GMT -7
....it seems a fine line, but we are definitely too far on the side of too much government control. Well, if you left it to the people we'd all be dead. Spence |
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 23, 2020 7:51:06 GMT -7
I am in agreement with Spence - sometimes people need to be protected from their own stupidity despite their disagreement or dislike of the process. It isn't as if the people doing the protection have an unfounded or arbitrary reason, it is based on data, evidence and knowledge.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 23, 2020 7:58:42 GMT -7
When my car breaks down, I find a knowledable mechanic to fix it. I don't take it to a florist to diagnose or fix the problem. The same way I don't accept the uninformed opinions of the public on a scientific matter who have even less an understanding of the situation and only care about how they have been "persecuted" or inconvenienced...
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Post by spence on Apr 23, 2020 9:31:35 GMT -7
I've always been fairly upbeat about my fellow man, and generally held optimistic views of a man until forced to change my mind. I was never a fan of cynicism, but I fear I've become a cynic in my old age. It makes one feel vulnerable, as though you need to be constantly on your guard against everyone you come in contact with, that "treat everyone as you would like to be treated" is a foreign language to them. It seems the destructive philosophies of anti-intellectualism, anti-science, "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge" and alternative facts have won the day.
We are very much locked down because of the virus, but that was a very small change for me, I've been pretty well locked down from the culture as it exists today for quite a while. I'm not at all sure which is the more dangerous.
Spence
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Post by paranger on Apr 23, 2020 10:10:36 GMT -7
I've always been fairly upbeat about my fellow man, and generally held optimistic views of a man until forced to change my mind. I was never a fan of cynicism, but I fear I've become a cynic in my old age. It makes one feel vulnerable, as though you need to be constantly on your guard against everyone you come in contact with, that "treat everyone as you would like to be treated" is a foreign language to them. It seems the destructive philosophies of anti-intellectualism, anti-science, "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge" and alternative facts have won the day. We are very much locked down because of the virus, but that was a very small change for me, I've been pretty well locked down from the culture as it exists today for quite a while. I'm not at all sure which is the more dangerous. Spence Profound observations, Spence, IMHO. |
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Post by brokennock on Apr 23, 2020 12:40:29 GMT -7
Part of me wants to agree with Spence and Black Hand. But, they both, and many here, are smart enough to take needed precautions. If someone else isn't, well, Darwinism applies.
Mandatory masks in public = fine
6 foot markers for the lines at the store? Actually, I LOVE THIS! Always hated people standing on my heels in line.
One way aisles in the store? getting ridiculous.
Tracking the movements of people who have or may have it? NO F'ING WAY!
Killing the entire U.S. economy that so many have worked so hard to bring back? No! I am convinced there is a better way.
Tracking people who have or have not gotten any future vaccine? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Unfortunately out "leadership" has seen an opportunity to grab more power and control, of course using people's fear, and they love it. It is like the best heroin to an addict, like blood in the water to a shark.
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Post by spence on Apr 23, 2020 15:30:33 GMT -7
We are at the beginning of a test of your recommendation of less restrictive government. Good luck with that, I hope you are right. Opening up is a good thing, but the price may be quite high.
Spence
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Post by Keith on Apr 23, 2020 16:20:26 GMT -7
Personally I do not give a rat's a*** about the economy, frankly I don't need it. My wife & I raised three boys living an 18th century lifestyle for over 20 years, & it was not that hard & frankly a lot of fun. The people who disregard their own safety during this pandemic are not just risking their own lives, they are also threatening the lives of thousands of other people that are trying to do the right thing.
Right now America is in a bad way, & I think if they lift restrictions now, there will be catastrophic consequences. Even here in Australia, our corrupt government is eager to restart the economy, they are already lifting restrictions! If this should cause a second wave of the coronavirus, then there may be no stopping it. Remember, we still do NOT have a vaccine, & hospitals are not coping well. Scientists have predicted that anthropogenic global warming & climate change will cause more pandemics from now on, imagine what would happen if another pandemic struck before we got this present one under control.
We are literally in a survival situation right now, & people have to face that fact & take this seriously.
Keith.
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Post by Black Hand on Apr 23, 2020 16:58:56 GMT -7
Painful lessons and personal experience have shown me that people in general should not be trusted. There are a few individuals that have proven themselves trustworthy.
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Post by brokennock on Apr 23, 2020 20:15:02 GMT -7
I think there is a high price either way. And, I don't think it should just be a total lifting of all restrictions. A balance needs to be found.
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Post by hawkeyes on Apr 24, 2020 5:36:00 GMT -7
I've unplugged from society a long time ago. However I'm still apart of it regardless of my mindset or thinking, we all are and it does effect everyone on some level.
This whole mess is a balancing act OUR modern society hasn't ever had to endure. Personally, for my family nothing really has changed. I'm anti social as can be so staying "locked down" is fine with me. I'm a free man and there isn't a soul taking that away from me regardless of governmental policies. I have little faith in humanity as a whole, and faith shouldn't reside there anyway, doesn't for me as I look up to a higher authority. I just continue to live my life as normally as possible, unplugged from the hype.
Must say I do see both sides and certainly do teter on the totter.
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Post by dmarsh on May 5, 2020 20:30:54 GMT -7
Well I am with you guys on this.. My wife and I (married 52 years) are pretty anti-social and live a quiet life in the woods of rural NY. We also have a cabin in the Green Mountain Forest of Vermont. So when we are feeling the not so wonderful modern life we go to Vermont. No Internet, cell phones or electricity... We use a composting toilet, I set up a solar power system that gives us basic electricity to run an out door bathhouse with a propane fired shower and a few lights. We have a spring fed cistern that supplies us with all of the water we need. Could not be happier when we are there. Trout stream in the front yard, hiking trails all around us and no neighbors. When we feel like going out into the world we stuff the kayaks in my truck and go bass fishing on several ponds with in a 1/2 hour ride. Simple yet satisfying. Not worried about catching that bug and we also take care of her 95 year old mother who lives in her own apartment alone and still drives. We have not been in a store or any public place since mid-March and haven't missed it. Groceries are delivered. Thank God I met that gal. Dave  |
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