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Post by straekat on Feb 14, 2019 6:46:58 GMT -7
Given the miss match nature of my current clothing, I may be as well of to start over. I have been considering my location as part of the persona and something French and Indian War or slightly before may be better suited. I am located a stones throw from the Little Wabash River a tributary to the Wabash River and a few miles away is the Kaskaskia River. My wife and I have attended Fort De Chartres a number of times, just as many as Friendship, IN. I believe I would still prefer to portray a Woodsman or a Hunter rather than a soldier or a gentleman.
Where you're located, you have a time frame from the mid-1700s through to the War of 1812, and that gives you a wide range of options.
Initially, the French were the fist Europeans to reach and settle in the area, and after 1763, the French yielded their claims to British by the terms of the Treaty of Paris. The French were not expelled from the area, and over time, the influx of settlers from elsewhere changed the overall population there.
Woodsman, hunter, soldier impressions are the most commonly encountered, however, that generally requires you have a period fire-arm that would be typical or common for the particular impression you choose. What you buy can be expensive, and should be carefully considered. All of us can give you advice along the way.
I know a re-enactor (not me btw), who started when he was 16, and this is his 50th year in the hobby. When he started off, he was not considered legally old enough to be covered by insurance provisions for the unit he wanted to join. So, his first two years were as a mule driver/wagon teamster who wore the most basic kit possible that let him fit in at events in a non-combatant role. So, think about something very basic that gives you the opportunity to be part of a camp, and get involved while ramping up your kit and impression for what you want to do.
That or a similar approach might not seem as much fun at first glance, however, it allows you to slowly acquire your kit and decide on a specific period and personae without spending money on items you might not need or want later. Go slowly, and attend a few events, including as a member of the public, to see what vendors/sutlers have for sale so you get an idea of prices and what is on the market. Also, going to events as a member of the public allows you to talk to people that are part of the event, to be seen as someone interested in joining, but not judged for your appearance if you wore the "wrong" stuff at an event.
Going to events also gives you the chance to buy used or new items, but you have to know what to look for. People in the hobby that have been in it for years, have often acquired far too many things and at times weed out items they don't use often, have upgraded, thought they lost or didn't have something and then bought duplicate items, or gained weight and outgrown clothing to the point things no longer fit. Look for outgrown items, because they are often sold very inexpensively, and don't have the fresh out of the bag look.
Re-enactors can be very judgemental, and there are certain things they will look at even if they don't comment on them. Period footwear is a must. If you are not doing a military impression, you can get by without wearing 18th century shoes, and have correctly made moccasins.
If you wear eye-glasses, modern ones are a no-go. If you have contacts, no one will notice or say anything. During the period, glasses were expensive, and most people could not afford them. Walking into trees, squinting at things and holding items at arms-length were part of life for the masses then.
Facial hair? That's controversial, and really depends on many factors. If you are clean-shaven, there's not an issue. If you aren't, we can discuss that another time.
Look at web-sites for re-enactment units, events that have participation requires, and read everything you can. Try to acquire as much information as possible -before- buying items. Ask us questions, we're here to help you avoid mistakes we've made and learned from the hard way.
Check out your local goodwill, salvation army and other second hand stores. You can buy women's large brimmed floppy wool hats for around $5, that can be quickly turned into a 18th century round-hat with a short brim and low crown. Used leather belts can be turned into straps used to roll and secure blankets and camp gear. Old all-wool blankets can be used to make a range of items (leggings, waist coats, used as blankets) etc.
And always, ask questions and read, read, read.
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Post by Black Hand on Feb 14, 2019 16:23:54 GMT -7
I have been considering my location as part of the persona and something French and Indian War or slightly before may be better suited. I believe I would still prefer to portray a Woodsman or a Hunter rather than a soldier or a gentleman. Tidings from the 18th Century by Beth Gilgun is a great book if you are interested in making your own clothing. It also has patterns & information for the Lady that might be interested in participating.
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Post by Keith on Feb 14, 2019 16:27:53 GMT -7
Best of luck with the operation. May your recovery be quick! Thank you, much appreciated. Regards, Keith.
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Post by Keith on Feb 14, 2019 16:46:02 GMT -7
Given the miss match nature of my current clothing, I may be as well of to start over. I have been considering my location as part of the persona and something French and Indian War or slightly before may be better suited. I am located a stones throw from the Little Wabash River a tributary to the Wabash River and a few miles away is the Kaskaskia River. My wife and I have attended Fort De Chartres a number of times, just as many as Friendship, IN. I believe I would still prefer to portray a Woodsman or a Hunter rather than a soldier or a gentleman.
Where you're located, you have a time frame from the mid-1700s through to the War of 1812, and that gives you a wide range of options.
Initially, the French were the fist Europeans to reach and settle in the area, and after 1763, the French yielded their claims to British by the terms of the Treaty of Paris. The French were not expelled from the area, and over time, the influx of settlers from elsewhere changed the overall population there.
Woodsman, hunter, soldier impressions are the most commonly encountered, however, that generally requires you have a period fire-arm that would be typical or common for the particular impression you choose. What you buy can be expensive, and should be carefully considered. All of us can give you advice along the way.
I know a re-enactor (not me btw), who started when he was 16, and this is his 50th year in the hobby. When he started off, he was not considered legally old enough to be covered by insurance provisions for the unit he wanted to join. So, his first two years were as a mule driver/wagon teamster who wore the most basic kit possible that let him fit in at events in a non-combatant role. So, think about something very basic that gives you the opportunity to be part of a camp, and get involved while ramping up your kit and impression for what you want to do.
That or a similar approach might not seem as much fun at first glance, however, it allows you to slowly acquire your kit and decide on a specific period and personae without spending money on items you might not need or want later. Go slowly, and attend a few events, including as a member of the public, to see what vendors/sutlers have for sale so you get an idea of prices and what is on the market. Also, going to events as a member of the public allows you to talk to people that are part of the event, to be seen as someone interested in joining, but not judged for your appearance if you wore the "wrong" stuff at an event.
Going to events also gives you the chance to buy used or new items, but you have to know what to look for. People in the hobby that have been in it for years, have often acquired far too many things and at times weed out items they don't use often, have upgraded, thought they lost or didn't have something and then bought duplicate items, or gained weight and outgrown clothing to the point things no longer fit. Look for outgrown items, because they are often sold very inexpensively, and don't have the fresh out of the bag look.
Re-enactors can be very judgemental, and there are certain things they will look at even if they don't comment on them. Period footwear is a must. If you are not doing a military impression, you can get by without wearing 18th century shoes, and have correctly made moccasins.
If you wear eye-glasses, modern ones are a no-go. If you have contacts, no one will notice or say anything. During the period, glasses were expensive, and most people could not afford them. Walking into trees, squinting at things and holding items at arms-length were part of life for the masses then.
Facial hair? That's controversial, and really depends on many factors. If you are clean-shaven, there's not an issue. If you aren't, we can discuss that another time.
Look at web-sites for re-enactment units, events that have participation requires, and read everything you can. Try to acquire as much information as possible -before- buying items. Ask us questions, we're here to help you avoid mistakes we've made and learned from the hard way.
Check out your local goodwill, salvation army and other second hand stores. You can buy women's large brimmed floppy wool hats for around $5, that can be quickly turned into a 18th century round-hat with a short brim and low crown. Used leather belts can be turned into straps used to roll and secure blankets and camp gear. Old all-wool blankets can be used to make a range of items (leggings, waist coats, used as blankets) etc.
And always, ask questions and read, read, read.
A very good post straekat, well done. Excellent advice. Keith.
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Post by waarp8nt on Feb 14, 2019 17:10:57 GMT -7
As soon as I have recovered from my operation next week, I am seriously thinking of re filming with the new camera. Keith. Good luck with your operation!!! I look forward to viewing more of your videos as I really enjoyed the one you posted! I like that pull over style frock that you were wearing in the video, interesting that it can be made from a shirt pattern (I'm conservative by nature). Where you're located, you have a time frame from the mid-1700s through to the War of 1812, and that gives you a wide range of options. Initially, the French were the fist Europeans to reach and settle in the area, and after 1763, the French yielded their claims to British by the terms of the Treaty of Paris. The French were not expelled from the area, and over time, the influx of settlers from elsewhere changed the overall population there. Woodsman, hunter, soldier impressions are the most commonly encountered, however, that generally requires you have a period fire-arm that would be typical or common for the particular impression you choose. What you buy can be expensive, and should be carefully considered. All of us can give you advice along the way. I've recently started reading things on the internet in regards to the time period and territory. I'm not certain if there is a good or better than average book on the subject, I'm open to suggestions on reading material. I know a re-enactor (not me btw), who started when he was 16, and this is his 50th year in the hobby. When he started off, he was not considered legally old enough to be covered by insurance provisions for the unit he wanted to join. So, his first two years were as a mule driver/wagon teamster who wore the most basic kit possible that let him fit in at events in a non-combatant role. So, think about something very basic that gives you the opportunity to be part of a camp, and get involved while ramping up your kit and impression for what you want to do.
That or a similar approach might not seem as much fun at first glance, however, it allows you to slowly acquire your kit and decide on a specific period and personae without spending money on items you might not need or want later. Go slowly, and attend a few events, including as a member of the public, to see what vendors/sutlers have for sale so you get an idea of prices and what is on the market. Also, going to events as a member of the public allows you to talk to people that are part of the event, to be seen as someone interested in joining, but not judged for your appearance if you wore the "wrong" stuff at an event. Easing into it is a good idea. I know a few members, so observing as a member of the public will be fun. Their indoor muzzleloader show is coming up in Sullivan, IL on March 8th and 9th. They have the outdoor show at the club later in the spring or early summer. Going to events also gives you the chance to buy used or new items, but you have to know what to look for. People in the hobby that have been in it for years, have often acquired far too many things and at times weed out items they don't use often, have upgraded, thought they lost or didn't have something and then bought duplicate items, or gained weight and outgrown clothing to the point things no longer fit. Look for outgrown items, because they are often sold very inexpensively, and don't have the fresh out of the bag look.
Re-enactors can be very judgemental, and there are certain things they will look at even if they don't comment on them. Period footwear is a must. If you are not doing a military impression, you can get by without wearing 18th century shoes, and have correctly made moccasins.
The above mentioned show pulled a fair amount of vendors in last year, both commercial vendors and individual vendors, I will look for some items that possibly "shrunk" too much for their current owner while I'm there. Judgmental Reenactors is my motivation for the post. I really don't think it would be too much of an issue at the local club level, however if we ever went to another place or a large event it would be nice to already be correct. If you wear eye-glasses, modern ones are a no-go. If you have contacts, no one will notice or say anything. During the period, glasses were expensive, and most people could not afford them. Walking into trees, squinting at things and holding items at arms-length were part of life for the masses then.
Facial hair? That's controversial, and really depends on many factors. If you are clean-shaven, there's not an issue. If you aren't, we can discuss that another time. Look at web-sites for re-enactment units, events that have participation requires, and read everything you can. Try to acquire as much information as possible -before- buying items. Ask us questions, we're here to help you avoid mistakes we've made and learned from the hard way. I do wear glasses, but don't have too until seeing at some distance is needed. My previous pair was John Lennon style and my current pair is more box shaped to allow me to get a little closer to the stock when shooting. A good point and duly noted. No facial hair. While I have previously enjoyed having a beard it is not allowed at my current work place, so its clean shaven for me! Check out your local goodwill, salvation army and other second hand stores. You can buy women's large brimmed floppy wool hats for around $5, that can be quickly turned into a 18th century round-hat with a short brim and low crown. Used leather belts can be turned into straps used to roll and secure blankets and camp gear. Old all-wool blankets can be used to make a range of items (leggings, waist coats, used as blankets) etc.
I have not had any luck with the local goodwill. I have done well at the goodwill in Colorado Springs, but not so much locally. I have picked up a few wool blankets from flea markets, auctions and garage sales. No luck on the leather belts, but I always look. Didn't give the ladies hat a thought, but that is a good idea! And always, ask questions and read, read, read.
Thank you for your advise! I will continue to read, read, read!!!
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Post by Black Hand on Feb 14, 2019 17:34:30 GMT -7
I like that pull over style frock that you were wearing in the video, interesting that it can be made from a shirt pattern (I'm conservative by nature). I went one step further and extended the neck opening all the way down (I don't like pull-over outer shirts). This allows the two sides to be tucked and held in place with a belt, where the folds are used as "pockets" for mittens, cap, tinder, jerky bag, etc.
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Post by waarp8nt on Feb 14, 2019 18:19:56 GMT -7
I like that pull over style frock that you were wearing in the video, interesting that it can be made from a shirt pattern (I'm conservative by nature). I went one step further and extended the neck opening all the way down (I don't like pull-over outer shirts). This allows the two sides to be tucked and held in place with a belt, where the folds are used as "pockets" for mittens, cap, tinder, jerky bag, etc. I will keep that in mind. I typically like pull-over shirts, blanket shirts, hoodies and the like...right up and until it is time to take them off. Tidings from the 18th Century by Beth Gilgun is a great book if you are interested in making your own clothing. It also has patterns & information for the Lady that might be interested in participating. Found a lightly used copy online and just made the purchase! $10.61 shipped!!!
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Post by straekat on Feb 15, 2019 6:10:55 GMT -7
Best of luck with the operation. May your recovery be quick!
I second that!
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Keith
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Post by Keith on Feb 15, 2019 14:22:26 GMT -7
Best of luck with the operation. May your recovery be quick!
I second that!
Thanks mate, appreciated. I will be off line for a while but look forward to catching up when I get back home. Regards, Keith.
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Post by Black Hand on Feb 15, 2019 16:55:03 GMT -7
I went one step further and extended the neck opening all the way down (I don't like pull-over outer shirts). This allows the two sides to be tucked and held in place with a belt, where the folds are used as "pockets" for mittens, cap, tinder, jerky bag, etc. I will keep that in mind. I typically like pull-over shirts, blanket shirts, hoodies and the like...right up and until it is time to take them off.
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Post by Keith on Feb 15, 2019 17:17:27 GMT -7
I will keep that in mind. I typically like pull-over shirts, blanket shirts, hoodies and the like...right up and until it is time to take them off. I don't find there is any problem putting on or taking off the period shirt or the pull-over shirt type frock. They are made very full, plenty of room. If I am getting too warm for comfort on the trail, then I take the frock off & toss it over my head to be carried on top of my knapsack & blanket roll. Keith.
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Post by waarp8nt on Feb 20, 2019 17:36:58 GMT -7
I have found a copy of The cut of Mens Clothes and waiting on the copy of Tidings from the 18th Century. Also, purchased a copy of Undaunted Courage by Stephen E. Ambrose since that all started just down the road from my location (more for fun reading that anything else). Any recommendations on a book about the French and Indian war?
I'm somewhat curious, when it comes to putting together a frock or hunting shirt, are you gentlemen making your own patterns, purchasing patterns or are just winging it off of shirts currently in your possession? I'm somewhat new to sewing, but have pieced together quilts squares on a singer treadle machine in my youth. I have never really spent much time sewing by hand other than a button or an occasional leather item repair.
Do you prefer Linen or other materials for next to the body?
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Post by Keith on Feb 21, 2019 20:32:08 GMT -7
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Post by Black Hand on Feb 21, 2019 20:39:15 GMT -7
Any recommendations on a book about the French and Indian war? Montcalm and Wolfe by Francis Parkman The War that Made America by Fred Anderson Crucible of War by Fred Anderson
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Post by Black Hand on Feb 21, 2019 20:49:29 GMT -7
I'm somewhat curious, when it comes to putting together a frock or hunting shirt, are you gentlemen making your own patterns, purchasing patterns or are just winging it off of shirts currently in your possession? I'm somewhat new to sewing, but have pieced together quilts squares on a singer treadle machine in my youth. I have never really spent much time sewing by hand other than a button or an occasional leather item repair. Do you prefer Linen or other materials for next to the body? I use the pattern in Ms. Gilgun's book. I get the sizing/dimensions from an existing shirt I made that fits me well and adjust up a little for the over-shirt. I've worn both cotton & linen next to the body with no problems. I believe "conventional wisdom" says linen is cooler in the heat and warmer in the cold - considering I usually wear 2 shirts (and a waistcoat) at the same time even on a hot day (with the rare exception), you might want to test for yourself. I am one of those people cursed with little insulation and a poor ability to retain heat but a high tolerance for hot weather.
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