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Post by RyanAK on Jul 16, 2022 8:00:19 GMT -7
Watch This Space. 🤓
My 1750s ‘Hunting Frock’, 1750s Waistcoat, and Button Fly Breeches are inbound from Kathy Ring at Cobbs Creek. She’s been an absolute delight to work with and I’m sure the clothes will be of good quality. But there are a few things I plan on doing once I have the time to go at it. Until I can make my own, I view bought clothes as ‘raw material’ So:
Buttonholes. It should be an easy task to rework the buttonholes by hand. Just… there are a LOT of buttonholes…
Buttons. I believe these all ship with plain, flat pewter buttons. The Coat will get fabric-covered buttons. I’ll show how to use bone button molds (PC) as well as how to use the flat metal buttons already in place as a mold for fabric buttons (less PC). The Waistcoat and Breeches will get either ungraded metal buttons or thread “death’s head” buttons. Also, may look at attaching the waistcoat buttons by lacing a la Cuthbertson.
Topstitching. Need to see if there’s anywhere to improve here.
And we’ll see what else can be done as far as small changes to improve the overall impression the clothes give for a man on the Susquehanna frontier in the 1750s.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 19, 2022 14:34:27 GMT -7
Incandescent lighting makes these colors a little warmer and lighter than they are in life. I’ll get daylight photos soon. I think I made decent color choices. I’ll do self-fabric covered buttons on the coat. They’re 7/8” and I’ll most likely go up to 1” or 1-1/8” using bone or horn or wood button molds. Waistcoat buttons are actually 3/4”. I’ll probably do brown thread deaths head button a bit smaller at 5/8” or 1/2”. Hand-worked buttonholes throughout. And… there’s a LOT of them. Breeches are good to go, if just a hair snug. The only niggle as far as a 5’ impression is concerned is that the machine stitching was done with bright white bobin thread on the coat. If the coat is worn unbuttoned, this is very apparent. The skirts are unlined and I may put a lining in. Haven’t quite decided on that yet. Overall, these pieces are well constructed, of a good cut, and good materials. Fabric throughout is 5.3oz mid weight linen. I anticipated there would be mods I’d want to do, and I’m very pleased. Kathy was great to work with. I’ll dip into some of the historic images and period surviving coats in the next few posts to document some of my research and what I’m shooting for here.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 19, 2022 14:36:46 GMT -7
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 19, 2022 14:45:15 GMT -7
Daylight.
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Post by brokennock on Jul 19, 2022 20:14:58 GMT -7
Mighty fine looking start.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 7:07:08 GMT -7
Thanks, fella! Twilight.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 7:19:27 GMT -7
Buttons on coats were going through a transition in the 1750s. Earlier coats, like the ones below, often had many small buttons right to the hem of the large skirts. Note that on a great many extant coats from throughout the century, not all off the front buttons were functional, having buttons and false buttonholes only for show. Occasionally, depending on the era and style of cut, none of the buttons on the coat front were functional. The location of the working buttons depended on the cut of the front of the coat. On these early coats, the buttons below the hip line are not functional. On coats from the later part of the century, as the lower front fell away and behind, only three or four buttons on the chest would be working.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 7:29:56 GMT -7
Buttons generally were smaller in the early 18th century, when a great many were on coat fronts. By mid-century, the size had mostly increased to 3/4” to 1-1/8” and the number had reduced to approximately 10-12, stopping below the waist, though occasionally a coat could still be seen with buttons on the coat in the earlier pattern. Buttons were gilt, fabric covered, thread “death’s head”, brass, pewter, silver… with varying degrees of embellishment. Buttonholes were often exaggerated as to width, with enough open to get the button through and an additional inch or more of the stitching continuing toward the outside of the garment. The coats below are approximately c.1750.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 8:31:55 GMT -7
It took me forever to track down an image to illustrate the next point, and it still isn’t ideal. Coats throughout the century were constructed with ‘interfacing’ in various parts of the coat. In the period, this was a flax textile called buckram - a heavy, open-weave, tow fabric, heavily coated with paste (think white glue) to stiffen it. This was used to give structure to various parts of the coat. Often pocket flaps. Sometimes the entire chest on formal coats. Tall collars when they became the fashion. And… almost always… the button line. Buckram between the coat body and the lining along the line of buttons and buttonholes provided support and structure for when the coat is worn open. A 1-1/2” strip allows the coat to maintain shape, especially when metal buttons are used. It took a while to find an image of an extant coat on a hanger, rather than on a tailor’s form. Then to find one of an unbuttoned coat. I wasn’t able to meet those two criteria and one with metal buttons, but this should do to illustrate the use of buckram for interfacing. My coat without interfacing and a 1750s example with buckram. Note the button line difference between the two coats. As far as I can tell, the use of interfacing behind the buttons and buttonholes was standard tailoring on all coats, regardless of quality. Bored? We haven’t even gotten to cuffs and pocket flaps yet!
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Post by artificer on Jul 20, 2022 8:47:26 GMT -7
Is your coat lined or not? Either way it is period correct, but I'm just wondering.
Gus
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 9:03:52 GMT -7
Body is lined with same fabric as the coat exterior. Skirts are not. In the third photo of the first post with pictures you can see where the lining ends. I’m trying to decide whether I’ll fix the white bobin thread or add a lining to the skirt. Leaning towards lining the skirt with… something. Coat is mid-weight 5.3oz/yd2 linen. Here’s that image again. [/url]
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Post by artificer on Jul 20, 2022 9:57:47 GMT -7
I'm thinking of how thick/hot that coat might be if you wear it over the waist coat when it's warm outside to complete your period "suit of clothes." If the combination of outer material and lining aren't too thick, it may not be too bad.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 10:12:17 GMT -7
Not too thick. On par with most shirting, though heavier than fine handkerchief weight. Most wear for me will be in the fall/spring and I think it’s PC to doff the waistcoat and just wear a buttoned coat. It’s light enough to I do think about a wool suit of clothes for December and January flintlock season. Either way, I think I’ll line the skirt with… something.
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Post by Black Hand on Jul 20, 2022 16:38:23 GMT -7
Body is lined with same fabric as the coat exterior. Skirts are not. In the third photo of the first post with pictures you can see where the lining ends. I’m trying to decide whether I’ll fix the white bobin thread or add a lining to the skirt. Leaning towards lining the skirt with… something. Coat is mid-weight 5.3oz/yd2 linen. What's the point of lining the skirts? It contributes little to the insulation value of the coat.
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Post by RyanAK on Jul 20, 2022 16:44:09 GMT -7
Likely little point other than a clean appearance. I’m really only considering since I want to do something about all the white bobin thread. It’s either rip it out and redo, or cover it up with a lining.
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